1 00:00:00,990 --> 00:00:04,454 2 [AUDIO LOGO] 2 00:00:14,455 --> 00:00:24,454 4 3 00:00:34,455 --> 00:00:40,834 6 4 00:00:40,835 --> 00:00:42,709 HARLEY FLANAGAN (VOICEOVER): I feel like I've 5 00:00:42,710 --> 00:00:46,279 been angry for almost 50 years. 6 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,759 I'm only starting to now realize that this is not really 7 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:50,439 who I am. 8 00:00:53,180 --> 00:00:56,629 12 I'm responding to this situation in this way 9 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:59,074 because I'm still stuck in that place. 10 00:01:02,914 --> 00:01:06,357 15 [STIRRING MUSIC] 11 00:01:16,358 --> 00:01:19,649 17 12 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:21,449 Come on, dude. 13 00:01:21,450 --> 00:01:23,136 Come on. 14 00:01:23,137 --> 00:01:24,719 BOTH: You can't let your circumstances 15 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,569 define who you are. 16 00:01:25,570 --> 00:01:26,902 Because only death is certain. 17 00:01:26,903 --> 00:01:30,511 Everything-- everything else is optional. 18 00:01:30,512 --> 00:01:33,843 [WHISTLING] 19 00:01:37,150 --> 00:01:41,339 26 MAN: [LAUGHS] I guess it's like the comic, right? 20 00:01:41,340 --> 00:01:44,219 Yeah, that's what-- you said that thing [INAUDIBLE] 21 00:01:44,220 --> 00:01:46,367 [CHATTER CONTINUES] 22 00:01:54,790 --> 00:01:57,289 30 HARLEY FLANAGAN (VOICEOVER): Just another day at the office, 23 00:01:57,290 --> 00:01:57,789 you know. 24 00:01:57,790 --> 00:02:00,749 It's like you go and you work. 25 00:02:00,750 --> 00:02:05,029 But at the same time, a lot of the old songs 26 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:07,519 are really about violent time in my life. 27 00:02:10,050 --> 00:02:14,339 36 Performance itself, you know, sometimes, it takes me to places 28 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:15,859 that I really don't wanna go. 29 00:02:15,860 --> 00:02:18,869 [CROWD SCREAMING] 30 00:02:18,870 --> 00:02:20,379 You motherfuckers ready? 31 00:02:20,380 --> 00:02:21,873 CROWD: Yeah! 32 00:02:21,874 --> 00:02:25,359 [HARD ROCK PLAYING] 33 00:02:30,838 --> 00:02:33,519 43 (SINGING) You can't let circumstances 34 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,449 Define who you are 35 00:02:36,450 --> 00:02:38,388 Cause only death is certain 36 00:02:38,389 --> 00:02:40,360 Everything else is optional 37 00:02:40,361 --> 00:02:42,825 Your happiness depends on 38 00:02:42,826 --> 00:02:44,797 No one else but you 39 00:02:44,798 --> 00:02:46,769 Cause no one else can live your life 40 00:02:46,770 --> 00:02:49,259 Or fill your grave but you 41 00:02:49,260 --> 00:02:53,039 Here's this wild story with lots of violence and creativity 42 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,169 and confusion and chaos. 43 00:02:57,850 --> 00:02:59,991 54 Harley is like the real deal. 44 00:02:59,992 --> 00:03:02,449 And I'm not saying that just because he's my little brother 45 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:04,659 and we came up together in this rock shit. 46 00:03:04,660 --> 00:03:08,792 He was just like, in your face. 47 00:03:08,793 --> 00:03:10,209 IAN MACKAYE: There's, like, people 48 00:03:10,210 --> 00:03:12,049 who the punk scene didn't shape them, 49 00:03:12,050 --> 00:03:13,519 they shaped the punk scene. 50 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,305 I would put him in that category. 51 00:03:17,980 --> 00:03:21,759 63 Harley's music is still raw as fuck. 52 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,229 His musicianship is just off the charts. 53 00:03:26,230 --> 00:03:27,669 His stories will kill your lawn 54 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:29,209 and peel the paint off your car. 55 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:31,089 He's seen a whole lot of life, and he's 56 00:03:31,090 --> 00:03:33,999 lucky to have come through the other side. 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:41,899 (SINGING) You must lift your body up and down 58 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:57,049 71 59 00:03:57,050 --> 00:03:58,549 HARLEY FLANAGAN: Actually, nothing's 60 00:03:58,550 --> 00:04:04,219 really changed in the way I write music since I started. 61 00:04:04,220 --> 00:04:08,809 The ideas, they just come to me, you know, 62 00:04:08,810 --> 00:04:11,439 and then I try to figure them out. 63 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:21,469 77 64 00:04:21,470 --> 00:04:23,959 LAURA LEE FLANAGAN: Harley, he has a lot of baggage 65 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,299 and a lot of history that he's trying to work out in his life. 66 00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:32,069 I got a lot of stuff, but I feel like I got nothing. 67 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:34,679 I got like a little handbag compared to what he has. 68 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,072 He's got trunks. 69 00:04:38,930 --> 00:04:40,549 84 Now, mind you, she's cleaning them 70 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:42,599 because it's driving her crazy. 71 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,409 Not me. 72 00:04:43,410 --> 00:04:45,284 LAURA LEE FLANAGAN: I can't stand it anymore. 73 00:04:50,450 --> 00:04:54,869 89 His life story and the way he was raised, 74 00:04:54,870 --> 00:04:59,485 he's working out the absence of his own childhood. 75 00:05:06,210 --> 00:05:08,819 92 HARLEY FLANAGAN (VOICEOVER): I was wired for chaos 76 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:12,549 before I knew anything. 77 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:15,359 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC] 78 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,179 I was the baby in the room, on the dirty mattress 79 00:05:19,180 --> 00:05:23,159 on the floor while the adults were freaking out-- 80 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,529 [WATER SPLASHES] 81 00:05:25,530 --> 00:05:28,864 - because this one OD'd, and-- 82 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,129 100 TEX FLANAGAN: You know, only one time 83 00:05:35,130 --> 00:05:37,829 when you-- when you was a kid that I really, really 84 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:39,189 feel close to you. 85 00:05:39,190 --> 00:05:42,149 And that was one night when I come home, 86 00:05:42,150 --> 00:05:44,009 and there was nobody there. 87 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:46,469 The dope fiend I left taking care of you 88 00:05:46,470 --> 00:05:48,279 was nodded off in the kitchen. 89 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:50,789 Your mama was going out dancing somewhere, 90 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:53,789 and I was out hustling dope. 91 00:05:53,790 --> 00:05:55,709 And I come home, you was laying in your bed, 92 00:05:55,710 --> 00:05:57,969 and you was all wet, and you was crying, 93 00:05:57,970 --> 00:05:59,769 and I felt so sorry for you. 94 00:05:59,770 --> 00:06:02,019 I changed the bed clothes, and I laid down, 95 00:06:02,020 --> 00:06:04,779 and I held you in my arms till you went to sleep. 96 00:06:04,780 --> 00:06:08,129 And then I laid there, and I thought bad, bad 97 00:06:08,130 --> 00:06:09,399 about your mama. 98 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,808 [SOMBER MUSIC] 99 00:06:22,809 --> 00:06:25,679 118 100 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,779 HARLEY FLANAGAN: She left my dad after the final ass-whipping 101 00:06:30,780 --> 00:06:33,119 that she got. 102 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,564 I never saw him again. 103 00:06:40,050 --> 00:06:42,899 123 I was the baby that was there on the side 104 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:46,289 of the road with my mother hitchhiking with no fucking 105 00:06:46,290 --> 00:06:49,629 money in her pocket. 106 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:54,009 LUCY SANTE: I got to be very close to Harley's mom, Rosebud, 107 00:06:54,010 --> 00:06:57,429 and I knew about her life running away from home 108 00:06:57,430 --> 00:07:01,509 as a teenager and moving into the Kerista Commune, which 109 00:07:01,510 --> 00:07:04,099 was the free love commune in those days, 110 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:07,489 and being pulled out of there by Allen Ginsberg, 111 00:07:07,490 --> 00:07:10,119 the great American poet. 112 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,769 They all lived on the Lower East Side, 113 00:07:12,770 --> 00:07:15,479 probably like 1965, something like that. 114 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,793 [ROCK MUSIC] 115 00:07:28,794 --> 00:07:31,149 136 116 00:07:31,150 --> 00:07:36,289 The beats and the Warhol Factory crowd and the painters, 117 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:37,379 they all knew one another. 118 00:07:40,030 --> 00:07:44,059 140 Rose was making the scene, and she was very beautiful. 119 00:07:44,060 --> 00:07:48,679 And that was the criterion for having a screen test done 120 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,899 is, if you weren't famous, then you 121 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:52,739 were somebody who hung around. 122 00:07:52,740 --> 00:07:56,092 [RHYTHMIC MUSIC] 123 00:07:56,900 --> 00:07:58,399 146 HARLEY FLANAGAN: But I'm telling you 124 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,479 that I knew what sex was before I knew the fucking alphabet 125 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:03,869 or the months of the year. 126 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:07,909 I'm not motherfucking kidding you, bro. 127 00:08:07,910 --> 00:08:09,749 I wish I was. 128 00:08:09,750 --> 00:08:13,207 [POUNDING BEAT] 129 00:08:16,670 --> 00:08:19,879 153 I remember, like, going to my mom's job 130 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,359 when she was stripping. 131 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:26,899 156 I remember watching motherfuckers sticking money 132 00:08:26,900 --> 00:08:28,434 down her fucking, you know. 133 00:08:38,435 --> 00:08:40,668 159 134 00:08:40,669 --> 00:08:42,769 I mean, I remember hitchhiking with my mother, 135 00:08:42,770 --> 00:08:46,149 and this guy, this truck driver tried to rape my mom. 136 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:51,899 And, you know, when you're, like, attacking a grown man 137 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:55,259 with, like, everything you have to get them 138 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:57,119 off your mom in a fucking-- 139 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,839 in the side of a fucking road on the highway, 140 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,149 that shit doesn't go away. 141 00:09:11,940 --> 00:09:14,339 168 You know, I think my mom was kind of just going 142 00:09:14,340 --> 00:09:16,189 from one situation to the next. 143 00:09:21,690 --> 00:09:25,409 171 I started out on the Lower East Side, and then I-- 144 00:09:25,410 --> 00:09:28,715 almost by happenstance, wound up in Denmark. 145 00:09:28,716 --> 00:09:31,929 [SOFT GUITAR MUSIC] 146 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:39,284 175 My mom went there with basically a boyfriend of hers. 147 00:09:39,285 --> 00:09:40,159 He was a dope dealer. 148 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,339 178 We were there for I don't know how long before things 149 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:52,409 went south with them, and she met my stepfather, Karsten. 150 00:09:52,410 --> 00:09:54,269 He was, like, one of the best influences 151 00:09:54,270 --> 00:09:58,019 that I've had in my life. 152 00:09:58,020 --> 00:10:01,349 I owe a lot to that man. 153 00:10:01,350 --> 00:10:05,179 I love him as if he really was my father. 154 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:13,054 185 My stepdad was a longshoreman, you know. 155 00:10:13,055 --> 00:10:16,679 He wasn't a drug addict. 156 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:19,329 We still did, like, crazy hippie shit, 157 00:10:19,330 --> 00:10:23,669 drove to Morocco in this little minivan. 158 00:10:23,670 --> 00:10:25,539 It was super cool, fun. 159 00:10:25,540 --> 00:10:29,029 But at the end of the day, he came back, and he worked. 160 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:35,669 192 He loved me like his son. 161 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:39,539 He was one of the only people I can remember actually 162 00:10:39,540 --> 00:10:42,819 sitting there and try and do, like, homework with me, 163 00:10:42,820 --> 00:10:46,669 telling me like, but you're gonna need to know this stuff. 164 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:49,219 And I'm like, why do I need to know this stuff? 165 00:10:49,220 --> 00:10:50,769 I'm gonna be a musician. 166 00:10:50,770 --> 00:10:55,789 And he'd be like, but you still have to know math. 167 00:10:55,790 --> 00:11:00,939 [POUNDING BEAT] 168 00:11:00,940 --> 00:11:03,849 My mom had it in her head that I was 169 00:11:03,850 --> 00:11:10,359 gonna be an artist or a musician before I knew I was gonna be. 170 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,519 I was playing in the school band, 171 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,389 and we did a lot of performances and stuff, 172 00:11:14,390 --> 00:11:16,929 but she turned me on to the Sex Pistols. 173 00:11:16,930 --> 00:11:17,834 That was it. 174 00:11:17,835 --> 00:11:21,429 [ROCK MUSIC] 175 00:11:21,430 --> 00:11:22,879 My hair came off. 176 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,554 I was a punk rocker. 177 00:11:29,230 --> 00:11:33,019 210 I was playing with my first band, Little Big Boss. 178 00:11:33,020 --> 00:11:37,189 That's kind of where I first cut my teeth like playing in clubs. 179 00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:39,919 My mom just let me go. 180 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,099 Like, yeah, OK. 181 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:43,649 You know, go play your shows and come back, you know. 182 00:11:52,310 --> 00:11:57,439 216 I was around 12 years old when we finally moved back 183 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:58,734 to New York for good. 184 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:05,669 219 The blackout, and the garbage strike, and the Son of Sam, 185 00:12:05,670 --> 00:12:07,464 it was all still fresh in the air. 186 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,859 222 It was a very difficult transition for me. 187 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:17,844 I had a weird accent. 188 00:12:20,750 --> 00:12:23,929 225 And I was into punk rock. 189 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:26,689 I was fucked with in school and on the street 190 00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:28,409 and by all the kids on my block. 191 00:12:28,410 --> 00:12:31,573 [ECHOING CHILDREN CHATTER] 192 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:38,119 230 I'm just like living in this really crazy Lord of the Flies 193 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,804 ghetto shit show. 194 00:12:39,805 --> 00:12:44,089 [CHUCKLES] 195 00:12:44,090 --> 00:12:47,749 NEFERTITI JONES: I went to school with Harley. 196 00:12:47,750 --> 00:12:51,239 He was like a really sweet kid. 197 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,289 He was funny. 198 00:12:52,290 --> 00:12:53,959 He wanted attention. 199 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,209 He wanted a lot of attention. 200 00:12:56,210 --> 00:12:58,999 I was different than Harley in the sense I wanted 201 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,789 to pretend my life was normal. 202 00:13:01,790 --> 00:13:04,369 We had these really brilliant parents that 203 00:13:04,370 --> 00:13:06,749 somehow were so irresponsible. 204 00:13:06,750 --> 00:13:10,399 Like they just dropped us in the middle of hell 205 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,679 and expected us to kinda just raise ourselves. 206 00:13:15,887 --> 00:13:17,719 245 HARLEY FLANAGAN: It was kind of like the way 207 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,179 the South Bronx looked, a lot of slum lords 208 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:22,879 were burning shit down. 209 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,679 Just drug addicts, drug dealers and fucking lunatics. 210 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:29,427 I love when they're, like, nodding off 211 00:13:29,428 --> 00:13:30,719 and they almost hit the ground. 212 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,479 Or they had the oozing pus from their arms. 213 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,609 That was just such a welcome view every morning 214 00:13:35,610 --> 00:13:36,542 on my way to school. 215 00:13:41,010 --> 00:13:44,909 255 I love this motherfucker right here. 216 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:48,249 I had my first cup of coffee in five days, so forgive me. 217 00:13:48,250 --> 00:13:50,939 I've never had a cup of coffee in my life. 218 00:13:50,940 --> 00:13:51,539 Never. 219 00:13:51,540 --> 00:13:54,789 [SWOOSH] That's why you're so calm. 220 00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:55,659 Is that why? 221 00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:56,306 It must be. 222 00:13:56,307 --> 00:13:58,389 My wife goes crazy if she doesn't get that shit. 223 00:13:58,390 --> 00:13:58,649 So-- 224 00:13:58,650 --> 00:14:00,274 She drinks that fucking Bustelo, too. 225 00:14:00,275 --> 00:14:02,189 Nah, she drinks the white people shit. 226 00:14:02,190 --> 00:14:03,877 HARLEY FLANAGAN: Anyway, so, look, I 227 00:14:03,878 --> 00:14:05,169 grew up on the Lower East Side. 228 00:14:05,170 --> 00:14:07,307 I hated growing up down there. 229 00:14:07,308 --> 00:14:09,099 I was just getting fucked with and bullied, 230 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:10,651 and I deal with being prey. 231 00:14:10,652 --> 00:14:13,109 Like, am I getting my ass kicked on my way to school today? 232 00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:16,229 I have to cross the street here so I don't encounter this, that, 233 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:17,519 or the other, da da da. 234 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,479 There was a definite pecking order, 235 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,219 and obviously, the Puerto Ricans definitely ran shit. 236 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:27,219 277 They called Puerto Ricans the Germans. 237 00:14:27,220 --> 00:14:28,709 They used to call them the Gestapo 238 00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:32,561 because they had shit on lockdown. 239 00:14:32,562 --> 00:14:35,928 [RHYTHMIC MUSIC] 240 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:42,319 282 You would have probably got your ass kicked on my block, 241 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,209 too, for being a Black motherfucker. 242 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:47,989 Because it was just-- racism was just normal. 243 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:50,389 Like, yeah, I appear very white. 244 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,069 Everybody perceives me as white. 245 00:14:52,070 --> 00:14:53,929 I perceived myself as white. 246 00:14:53,930 --> 00:14:56,459 But the fact is is my grandfather is from DR. 247 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:56,959 Right. 248 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,459 HARLEY FLANAGAN: You know, I grew up 249 00:14:58,460 --> 00:15:00,369 getting really abused like a motherfucker 250 00:15:00,370 --> 00:15:03,499 for being this white kid without anybody-- 251 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:08,559 without myself even really understanding or embracing 252 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,554 my Dominican blood. 253 00:15:09,555 --> 00:15:12,811 [RHYTHMIC MUSIC] 254 00:15:13,780 --> 00:15:16,959 297 The gang on my block, they'd all be sitting on the stoop 255 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,781 across from my building, you know, smoking dust, 256 00:15:19,782 --> 00:15:20,864 listening to their radios. 257 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:29,689 301 Their kids sisters used to, like, follow me, spitting at me, 258 00:15:29,690 --> 00:15:32,699 fucking with me, talking shit to me, you know. 259 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:34,979 Meanwhile, the whole time, their brothers, 260 00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:36,809 who were like straight gangbangers, 261 00:15:36,810 --> 00:15:39,884 were just, like, sitting there laughing, waiting for me 262 00:15:39,885 --> 00:15:41,759 to do something bad so that they could, like, 263 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:42,909 stomp me into the ground. 264 00:15:46,670 --> 00:15:48,619 309 One of the first times I got high on anything 265 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:50,569 was because the gang on my block forced 266 00:15:50,570 --> 00:15:53,039 me to huff glue with them, or they were gonna kick my ass. 267 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,829 They, like, held a bag over my face, 268 00:15:54,830 --> 00:15:56,662 and they were like, keep breathing until you 269 00:15:56,663 --> 00:15:57,749 can't breathe anymore. 270 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:14,309 316 271 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:16,199 Well, you know what? 272 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,019 I couldn't understand a lot of the work 273 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:22,009 because it was so different for me that I kinda-- 274 00:16:22,010 --> 00:16:23,484 I kinda gave up. 275 00:16:33,485 --> 00:16:36,639 322 276 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,881 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 277 00:16:49,882 --> 00:16:50,029 325 278 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:54,079 (SINGING) In your life he said do you ever see light 279 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,089 MAN: Harley, you're by far the youngest member 280 00:16:56,090 --> 00:16:57,269 of the band, about half-- 281 00:16:57,270 --> 00:16:58,119 Not by that far. 282 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,289 Definitely yes, yes. 283 00:17:00,290 --> 00:17:00,789 Yes, I am. 284 00:17:00,790 --> 00:17:02,164 MAN: How on earth are you playing 285 00:17:02,165 --> 00:17:03,419 in a band at the age of 13? 286 00:17:03,420 --> 00:17:04,612 Because I'm so great. 287 00:17:04,613 --> 00:17:05,779 WOMAN: He's got connections. 288 00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:06,613 Now, um-- 289 00:17:06,614 --> 00:17:07,113 [LAUGHS] 290 00:17:07,114 --> 00:17:10,249 - because I'm a good drummer, I guess. 291 00:17:10,250 --> 00:17:11,909 I'm also-- I'm related to Denise. 292 00:17:11,910 --> 00:17:15,192 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 293 00:17:16,842 --> 00:17:18,174 342 DENISE MERCEDES: He's my nephew. 294 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:24,118 344 I started playing in the very late '60s. 295 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,939 I think Rose had a guitar in the house 296 00:17:26,940 --> 00:17:31,829 and started to teach myself guitar chord. 297 00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:34,949 And then punk changed my perception 298 00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:39,969 of what rock and roll could be and, in my life, should be. 299 00:17:39,970 --> 00:17:42,839 [ROCK MUSIC] 300 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,129 We were punks, and we were on the punk scene. 301 00:17:45,130 --> 00:17:48,479 We lived punk, we loved punk, and that's what we were. 302 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,339 So when I started with the Stimulators, 303 00:17:51,340 --> 00:17:55,649 I started writing some songs, fast songs, 304 00:17:55,650 --> 00:17:58,919 putting this band together. 305 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,589 Harley was also attending rehearsals 306 00:18:01,590 --> 00:18:03,159 and was learning the songs. 307 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,019 He already was a musician. 308 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:10,779 We were going to a gig in Philly. 309 00:18:10,780 --> 00:18:12,339 We're getting ready to leave. 310 00:18:12,340 --> 00:18:16,109 Our drummer, Blitz, where the fuck is this guy? 311 00:18:16,110 --> 00:18:17,879 Can't find him anywhere. 312 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,959 It's like, OK, Harley, guess what? 313 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,409 You're the drummer. 314 00:18:23,410 --> 00:18:26,818 [ROCK MUSIC] 315 00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:37,389 366 KEITH MORRIS: I remember them having a female guitar 316 00:18:37,390 --> 00:18:39,139 player, which was totally cool. 317 00:18:39,140 --> 00:18:42,669 But the most impressive part about the Stimulators was 318 00:18:42,670 --> 00:18:44,229 the fact that they had this, like, 319 00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:47,209 little 11-year-old kid playing drums. 320 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:48,979 That's fucking happening. 321 00:18:48,980 --> 00:18:50,461 Yeah. 322 00:18:50,462 --> 00:18:52,659 (SINGING) I said go, please go 323 00:18:52,660 --> 00:18:54,109 Oh, god, can't you see 324 00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:57,759 Let me tell you about when I first met Harley, all right? 325 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,769 I said, who the fuck is this little kid 326 00:18:59,770 --> 00:19:01,911 up there on the drums? 327 00:19:01,912 --> 00:19:03,189 [CHUCKLES] 328 00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:05,869 This guy had written on the back of his jacket, "loud, 329 00:19:05,870 --> 00:19:06,472 fast rules." 330 00:19:06,473 --> 00:19:07,639 And we just picked up on it. 331 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,814 We thought it was a real cool sentence. 332 00:19:08,815 --> 00:19:09,399 A nice slogan. 333 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,149 When we were rehearsing one day, 334 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:13,969 and I started playing really fast on the drums, 335 00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:17,619 and then Denise started playing, And then, um-- then we said, oh, 336 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:19,499 wow, this could be loud, fast rules! 337 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:21,434 And the words fit the music, you know. 338 00:19:21,435 --> 00:19:22,129 [CHUCKLES] 339 00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:24,599 Loud, fast rules. 340 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,249 It was not only who we were, it was what everybody wanted to be. 341 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:34,229 It became the battle cry of the entire New York punk movement. 342 00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:37,617 [ROCK MUSIC] 343 00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:47,309 395 ROGER MIRET: Their sound was amazing. 344 00:19:47,310 --> 00:19:49,289 Their attitude was just perfect. 345 00:19:49,290 --> 00:19:52,049 And little Harley back there just playing drums. 346 00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:54,379 It was just mind-blowing. 347 00:19:54,380 --> 00:19:57,529 It was like, if you put on a blender, right, 348 00:19:57,530 --> 00:20:00,029 and you threw a bunch of rocks in there, that's what it was. 349 00:20:00,030 --> 00:20:02,159 It was like all this shit just coming at you, 350 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,719 smacking you in the face. 351 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,492 I wanted to be Harley Flanagan. 352 00:20:08,493 --> 00:20:10,159 KATE SHELLENBACH: I think the first time 353 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,784 I saw the Stimulators was at this place 354 00:20:11,785 --> 00:20:14,629 called the Chew and Sip Deli. 355 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:16,879 Harley was playing the drums, and he was 356 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,199 like so stylish and so cute. 357 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,919 The spiky hair, and it's like Sid Vicious 358 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,069 chain around his neck. 359 00:20:23,070 --> 00:20:24,749 He would just like, get up off the seat. 360 00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:27,059 He would play so hard, and because the drums were so big, 361 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:29,029 or the cymbals were up so high, and just having 362 00:20:29,030 --> 00:20:29,737 such a good time. 363 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:35,539 416 I think, you know, a lot of us just decided to start bands 364 00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:36,414 right then and there. 365 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,959 419 When Beastie Boys first started writing songs, 366 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,089 and we were kind of just making fun or just copying other bands, 367 00:20:45,090 --> 00:20:47,399 definitely Stimulators was, like, 368 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,809 had the formula that you could write a great punk song, 369 00:20:50,810 --> 00:20:52,439 and it was, like, fast. 370 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,769 And then it would, like, quiet down and just 371 00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:58,029 be like a skank part where everybody could just, you know, 372 00:20:58,030 --> 00:20:58,879 do this. 373 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,739 And then-- then a sing-along chorus. 374 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:06,169 (SINGING) [INAUDIBLE] like a dead party 375 00:21:06,170 --> 00:21:10,249 [INAUDIBLE] like you would never know 376 00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:15,379 Things really exploded because everybody had to see the kid. 377 00:21:15,380 --> 00:21:17,659 They were in love with him. 378 00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:21,989 And that was very courageous for somebody 11 or 12 years old. 379 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:23,675 It's a tremendous responsibility. 380 00:21:23,676 --> 00:21:26,919 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC] 381 00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:33,249 436 We traveled, we went to the Carolinas, 382 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,259 people lost their fucking minds. 383 00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:40,229 We were thanked for bringing punk rock to the south. 384 00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:44,019 We played with the best and the brightest of everybody. 385 00:21:44,020 --> 00:21:47,669 We played with Madness, The Cramps, the Bad Brains. 386 00:21:47,670 --> 00:21:49,859 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC] 387 00:21:56,331 --> 00:21:58,081 443 [DRUM BEATING] 388 00:21:58,082 --> 00:21:59,289 DARRYL JENIFER: Check it out. 389 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,549 446 (SINGING) This is my new gig. 390 00:22:05,550 --> 00:22:11,129 Check it out. 391 00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:12,004 So I got these files. 392 00:22:12,005 --> 00:22:14,504 HARLEY FLANAGAN: The first time I saw you guys play, it was, 393 00:22:14,505 --> 00:22:15,309 like, confusing. 394 00:22:15,310 --> 00:22:17,869 I was like, oh, my-- like, what just happened? 395 00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:20,379 It was like-- the first note, and then it 396 00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:22,339 was just like an explosion. 397 00:22:22,340 --> 00:22:24,349 My body didn't even know how to react to it. 398 00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:26,659 I was just like, oh, shit! 399 00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:31,149 Like-- Growing up, he were like the big brother 400 00:22:31,150 --> 00:22:33,669 that you wished you had. 401 00:22:33,670 --> 00:22:35,419 DARRYL JENIFER: He would get on my nerves. 402 00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:38,079 And, you know, Harley's a rascal. 403 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,399 Like he would try to take my hat off or some shit, 404 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,219 you know, in a soundcheck where I'm trying to be cool or what-- 405 00:22:43,220 --> 00:22:45,909 I'm Rastaman, or whatever. 406 00:22:45,910 --> 00:22:47,359 We stayed up in their house. 407 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,209 I was at his grandmother's house when he was a little kid. 408 00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:52,299 First thing he would do when he'd see me 409 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:54,789 would be, like, grab me and throw me down 410 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:57,529 and get me in a headlock and start fucking me up. 411 00:22:57,530 --> 00:23:00,259 And, you know, even at my grandparents' house, 412 00:23:00,260 --> 00:23:03,199 we had these motherfuckers over for Christmas. 413 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,229 And, you know, my grandfather was 414 00:23:05,230 --> 00:23:07,909 a musician, and so he was very impressed with these guys. 415 00:23:07,910 --> 00:23:08,409 And-- 416 00:23:08,410 --> 00:23:09,492 I remember your grandpa. 417 00:23:09,493 --> 00:23:10,159 Yeah, man. 418 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,299 And I'm in the back room. 419 00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:13,091 I remember this shit like it was yesterday. 420 00:23:13,092 --> 00:23:16,349 I spent like an hour setting up this war, had all my soldiers 421 00:23:16,350 --> 00:23:17,659 on everything. 422 00:23:17,660 --> 00:23:18,779 I'm a little kid, right? 423 00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:21,049 So I've got my fucking shit all set up. 424 00:23:21,050 --> 00:23:22,739 Darryl walks in behind me and goes-- 425 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:23,749 [LAUGHS] 426 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:26,809 - and then came a bomb-- 427 00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:27,749 boom! 428 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:31,399 And hit the fucking table, and everything's like, bram! 429 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,989 Motherfucker! 430 00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:35,449 Fuck, Darryl! 431 00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:36,179 Oh, man. 432 00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:38,219 But just like, you know, I think back to that, 433 00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:40,739 and it just fucking warms my heart. 434 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:44,149 [MELANCHOLIC MUSIC] 435 00:23:44,150 --> 00:23:46,549 The brotherly love that I got from this dude 436 00:23:46,550 --> 00:23:49,099 was so meaningful at a time when-- 437 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:58,609 when my life was actually really kind of rough and difficult. 438 00:23:58,610 --> 00:24:03,019 LUCY SANTE: I moved in across the hall from them. 439 00:24:03,020 --> 00:24:06,319 They were all jammed into an apartment 440 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,189 that was smaller than mine. 441 00:24:08,190 --> 00:24:10,369 I met him when he was 12. 442 00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:13,199 He was like the Artful Dodger or something. 443 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,429 There was just that kind of energy about him. 444 00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:18,029 He was on the loose. 445 00:24:18,030 --> 00:24:19,879 I think he spent a lot of his nights 446 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,854 away from home, even at that young age. 447 00:24:22,855 --> 00:24:26,135 [UPBEAT MUSIC] 448 00:24:32,562 --> 00:24:34,519 507 HARLEY FLANAGAN: By night, I was going to clubs 449 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,249 and hanging out with mostly adults and mostly people 450 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:42,199 who were, like, considered iconic, cool, legendary 451 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,994 musicians and whatever, and this and that. 452 00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:51,869 512 MARIA RESNICK: I documented the whole punk scene. 453 00:24:51,870 --> 00:24:53,599 I took pictures of people backstage. 454 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,119 [UPBEAT MUSIC] 455 00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:59,279 516 The Clash concert at the Palladium, 456 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,039 it was the first time they ever played in New York. 457 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,549 And I went backstage, and I saw Andy Warhol 458 00:25:07,550 --> 00:25:12,689 talking to Joe Strummer, and I took the picture. 459 00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:16,679 In those days, you couldn't see the photograph 460 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,189 that you took until after you developed it in a darkroom. 461 00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:24,542 [SOMBER MUSIC] 462 00:25:26,940 --> 00:25:33,389 524 It was the kind of photo that I was always opting for. 463 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:35,939 It had a surprise in it. 464 00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:40,229 It was not like any other person's photo of Andy Warhol 465 00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:42,369 and Joe Strummer, for sure. 466 00:25:42,370 --> 00:25:46,209 I didn't really realize Harley was in the frame. 467 00:25:46,210 --> 00:25:49,604 [SOMBER MUSIC] 468 00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:56,829 531 The gigs he got to see, the people he got to meet-- 469 00:25:56,830 --> 00:25:58,079 crazy! 470 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,201 [SOMBER MUSIC] 471 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:06,539 535 Like probably by 13, he had seen a whole lot of stuff 472 00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:09,374 that maybe someone of that age can do without. 473 00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:24,609 538 The first time I took LSD was with Adam Yauch from the Beastie 474 00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:26,829 Boys. 475 00:26:26,830 --> 00:26:31,879 And we wound up going to see Clockwork Orange. 476 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:44,349 542 And it was just a really fucking weird, weird night. 477 00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:49,299 I was probably, like, 13. 478 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:51,699 I only ate, like, a half a hit. 479 00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,864 Just give him a half a hit 'cause he's a kid. 480 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,989 547 ANTHONY BOURDAIN: I know you from The Stimulators. 481 00:26:59,990 --> 00:27:02,489 That-- that blew my mind when you told me that you saw us 482 00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:02,989 play. 483 00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:04,697 ANTHONY BOURDAIN: I remembered, you know, 484 00:27:04,698 --> 00:27:08,529 standing out front of Max's Kansas City in, like, 1980-- 485 00:27:08,530 --> 00:27:10,399 and try to get in, and, you know, 486 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,119 and, who's this fucking 13-year-old kid who's just 487 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,239 walking through walls, getting served? 488 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,279 How come he gets to-- 489 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,299 what-- what-- how have the laws of the universe changed 490 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:26,549 that allow this kid to move in a grown-up world? 491 00:27:26,550 --> 00:27:29,019 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 492 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:34,949 (SINGING) You pack it in today 493 00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:38,449 [DISTURBING MUSIC] 494 00:27:42,752 --> 00:27:44,209 562 HARLEY FLANAGAN: Everybody's, like, 495 00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:47,439 getting totally fucked up, and people are getting blowjobs, 496 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,139 and fucking, shooting up, and doing all kinds of fucking 497 00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:51,499 craziness all over the place. 498 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,259 And-- and then there's this little kid walking around, 499 00:27:54,260 --> 00:27:56,809 like, bumming quarters for the pinball machine. 500 00:27:56,810 --> 00:28:00,169 [DISTURBING MUSIC] 501 00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:13,309 570 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I was molested as a kid many times. 502 00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:16,079 Mostly by females. 503 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,529 So, you know, you somehow convince yourself 504 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:20,989 that that's OK-- 505 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:25,889 when you're 13, and they're 19 or 20 or whatever-- 506 00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:26,389 eh. 507 00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:36,749 577 Me and my friends used to cut school, 508 00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:39,869 and there was this one weed dealer in the neighborhood, 509 00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:41,179 like older dude. 510 00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:44,479 He had a big-ass fucking dog, scary-ass Great Dane. 511 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,039 He had guns and made sure we knew he had guns. 512 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,649 We'd go to his house, smoke weed, get drunk. 513 00:28:49,650 --> 00:28:52,524 And one day, he invited me over, and I was by myself. 514 00:28:57,655 --> 00:29:00,029 585 I don't know if I got drugged or what the fuck, but like, 515 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:01,987 next thing, I'm in this motherfucker's bedroom, 516 00:29:01,988 --> 00:29:07,169 and he's on my back, my little 13-year-old ass back. 517 00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:09,209 I just remember, like, tensing up. 518 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:15,779 My whole body was closing my ass, basically. 519 00:29:15,780 --> 00:29:18,694 This fucking scumbag blew his load on my back. 520 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,379 592 All of a sudden, I realized I was just a helpless-- 521 00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:27,229 you know, there ain't nothing you can do. 522 00:29:31,290 --> 00:29:35,479 595 I buried that shit so hard, so deep. 523 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,569 597 And that pushed me, really, to the dark, dark place. 524 00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:46,971 [WATER GUSHING] 525 00:29:56,972 --> 00:29:58,874 600 526 00:29:58,875 --> 00:30:00,749 LAURA LEE FLANAGAN: His mother quite candidly 527 00:30:00,750 --> 00:30:03,289 said, parents get in the way. 528 00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:05,209 Kids-- kids are intuitive. 529 00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:06,379 They can do it on their own. 530 00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:08,329 They don't need us to tell them what to do. 531 00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:10,369 They can figure it out better than we can. 532 00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:11,564 We get in the way of them. 533 00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:18,189 609 Incredible philosophy. 534 00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:20,769 MAN: There was a different time. 535 00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:23,529 It was a stupid time. 536 00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:24,909 It was dumb. 537 00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:25,784 It's not smart. 538 00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:35,019 615 There's a reason why animals survive in the wild and why they 539 00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:35,959 don't. 540 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,629 That's the stuff of parenting. 541 00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:40,989 If you don't have that, you die. 542 00:30:40,990 --> 00:30:43,989 Or you're so lucky that you squeak through 543 00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:46,759 because you happen to be a very talented musician. 544 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,962 And that helps lead you a little ways down the path to survival. 545 00:30:53,674 --> 00:30:57,110 623 [ROCK MUSIC] 546 00:31:07,111 --> 00:31:17,110 625 547 00:31:17,770 --> 00:31:20,319 627 DENISE MERCEDES: We got over to Northern Ireland 548 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,692 to play Belfast's first ever punk new wave festival. 549 00:31:29,770 --> 00:31:31,689 630 Northern Ireland, they've been fighting 550 00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:35,466 a civil war for 400 years. 551 00:31:35,467 --> 00:31:37,299 DENISE MERCEDES: What they call the troubles 552 00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:39,445 between the Catholics and the Protestants-- 553 00:31:39,446 --> 00:31:42,667 [INDISTINCT SCREAMING] 554 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,479 636 - it was punk rock that was bridging 555 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,756 all of this negative energy with the young people. 556 00:31:50,757 --> 00:31:53,089 INTERVIEWER: What about coming from New York to Belfast? 557 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:54,699 Were you still nervous about coming here? 558 00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:56,074 From what I heard, I thought it 559 00:31:56,075 --> 00:31:59,879 would be like people shooting each other all over the place, 560 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:00,779 but it's really nice. 561 00:32:00,780 --> 00:32:01,769 I like it here a lot. 562 00:32:01,770 --> 00:32:04,649 And in New York, if you ask somebody what the time is, 563 00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:05,609 they'll mug you. 564 00:32:05,610 --> 00:32:06,989 INTERVIEWER: What about the other kids at school, Harley? 565 00:32:06,990 --> 00:32:09,489 What do they think about you being away playing with a band? 566 00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:10,879 They hate me. 567 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,099 Mostly because I'm white, not because I'm playing in a band. 568 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:16,399 See, it's all-- it's all these Puerto Rican 569 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,385 kids that don't like me. 570 00:32:18,386 --> 00:32:21,717 [ROCK MUSIC] 571 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:27,799 654 I remember we did a show at Ulster Hall. 572 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,999 There must have been well over a hundred people fighting, 573 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,189 and I had never seen anything like that. 574 00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:39,209 Like, we were on stage when the riot started. 575 00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:41,759 These dudes didn't give a fuck, man, you know. 576 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,609 And you wound up with cops just pouring into the place, 577 00:32:44,610 --> 00:32:47,039 and it just-- 578 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:47,769 it was insane. 579 00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:54,679 663 In New York, I was used to seeing 580 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,439 punk rockers getting beat up. 581 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:06,029 Here, I was seeing all these punks and skinheads fighting-- 582 00:33:06,030 --> 00:33:09,059 fighting with the cops. 583 00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:11,379 These cops are fucking machine guns over here. 584 00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:14,339 They're not even like regular cops. 585 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:21,179 I was so used to seeing white kids at the bottom of the food 586 00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:23,739 chain in the streets, you know. 587 00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:26,909 And I was like, whoa, like, these dudes are not, 588 00:33:26,910 --> 00:33:28,809 like, they're not taking no shit. 589 00:33:28,810 --> 00:33:32,789 And I was like, wow, this is fucking awesome. 590 00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:37,445 And I identified with that, and in particular, the skinheads. 591 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,119 676 You know, they shaved my head, and they told me, 592 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,779 go back to America and teach them about skinheads. 593 00:33:45,780 --> 00:33:46,909 And I did. 594 00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:52,959 680 GLEN FRIEDMAN: When Harley came back and he had a shaved head, 595 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,274 he was like a tough guy, you know. 596 00:33:56,275 --> 00:33:58,959 Skinheads at that time to us were still not 597 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,794 the violent national front, you know. 598 00:34:00,795 --> 00:34:03,129 [DRUM BEATS] 599 00:34:03,130 --> 00:34:04,869 MAN: What's the scar, boy? 600 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:07,119 Skinhead. 601 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,999 GLEN FRIEDMAN: Scar people, the mod scene and stuff like that, 602 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,698 and-- and the fashion had a lot to do with it back then. 603 00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:15,122 It was a way to separate yourself. 604 00:34:15,123 --> 00:34:17,289 But I think that was the beginning when we kinda saw 605 00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:18,704 Harley taking a different turn. 606 00:34:18,705 --> 00:34:21,955 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC] 607 00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:29,468 694 Punk rock was nice. 608 00:34:29,469 --> 00:34:33,129 You know, people don't remember that. 609 00:34:33,130 --> 00:34:36,354 It was fucking fun. 610 00:34:36,355 --> 00:34:38,383 People didn't get into it to beat people up. 611 00:34:38,384 --> 00:34:41,676 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC CONTINUES] 612 00:34:51,677 --> 00:34:53,015 700 613 00:34:53,016 --> 00:34:54,006 They're cut. 614 00:34:54,007 --> 00:34:55,839 Harley-- Harley's come up with a new haircut 615 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,172 since he came back from Ireland. 616 00:35:03,357 --> 00:35:05,689 705 HARLEY FLANAGAN: For me, it wasn't about the-- the look. 617 00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:08,509 It wasn't about the haircut and the style. 618 00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:10,699 It wasn't even about the music, the skinhead music. 619 00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:13,436 Because that shit was just punk rock, you know. 620 00:35:13,437 --> 00:35:15,019 It was this punk rock with short hair. 621 00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:19,899 To me, being a skinhead was all about not taking any shit. 622 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,479 Plus, back then, people forget, like, punk rockers was 623 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,526 in general were a target because in, you 624 00:35:24,527 --> 00:35:26,109 know, America, that was what you would 625 00:35:26,110 --> 00:35:27,317 hear walking down the street. 626 00:35:27,318 --> 00:35:28,939 Punk rock, suck cock! 627 00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:29,439 Yeah. 628 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,429 [BOTH LAUGHING] 629 00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:31,569 Yeah, you know? 630 00:35:31,570 --> 00:35:34,359 And it was just like, you'd be, like, oh, man, you know, 631 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,139 here we go. 632 00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:36,969 And I don't-- you know what I'm saying? 633 00:35:36,970 --> 00:35:40,669 So it's like-- so I really had to, like, earn my stripes, 634 00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:42,835 and so I became problematic. 635 00:35:42,836 --> 00:35:46,129 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC] 636 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:55,429 726 I was just hitting my teens and really 637 00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:57,709 inspired by bands that the Stimulators had 638 00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:59,299 been playing with-- 639 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:01,699 (SINGING) When nobody turned out to be clean 640 00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:03,875 - the Bad Brains, the Circle Jerks. 641 00:36:03,876 --> 00:36:07,603 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC] 642 00:36:17,604 --> 00:36:19,729 733 643 00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:21,989 The Stimulators played with you guys at Irving Plaza. 644 00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:24,899 That was a fucking game-changing gig. 645 00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:26,609 That tour was amazing. 646 00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:30,054 It was like the-- the first show we played was with you guys. 647 00:36:30,055 --> 00:36:31,679 When I heard that stuff, I was like-- 648 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,846 it was like the energy was like-- it was like this-- 649 00:36:33,847 --> 00:36:36,819 like I was so young and full of fucking Coca-Cola. 650 00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:37,639 [BOTH LAUGHING] 651 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,849 - and just energy, and like, 13-year-old fucking I'm out 652 00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:42,649 of my mind that that's-- 653 00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:45,919 it's speed and the quickness and that it was that that-- so I 654 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,279 had to do something new. 655 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,499 I hate to say it, but that was the end 656 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,149 of the Stimulators for me. 657 00:36:51,150 --> 00:36:52,354 Because I was like-- 658 00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:56,529 750 I'm off to the future. 659 00:36:56,530 --> 00:36:59,945 [ROCK MUSIC] 660 00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:02,919 753 DENISE MERCEDES: He put in his years. 661 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,859 He wants to move on. 662 00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:07,109 God bless him. 663 00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:09,029 He already had like 10 songs. 664 00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:11,469 And not only did he write them, but he played everything. 665 00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:14,829 He played the drums, he played the guitar, he played the bass, 666 00:37:14,830 --> 00:37:16,569 and he was writing the words. 667 00:37:16,570 --> 00:37:18,719 I'm like, who ever heard of a kid masterminding 668 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,429 a project like this? 669 00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:24,239 And I said, OK, let's go to a recording studio, 670 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:28,289 and let you start putting these things down. 671 00:37:28,290 --> 00:37:32,619 Our music was melodic and he was just like, fuck that. 672 00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:33,879 I'm like, badass. 673 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,169 I'm a hardcore and this is it. 674 00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:37,382 And it was a world of difference. 675 00:37:37,383 --> 00:37:39,569 [ROCK MUSIC] 676 00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:58,469 770 677 00:37:58,470 --> 00:38:01,649 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I kind of was having problems at home. 678 00:38:01,650 --> 00:38:05,529 My mom's then husband, you know, kind of gave me an ultimatum, 679 00:38:05,530 --> 00:38:08,229 like, you either got to start, you know, going back to school, 680 00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:10,342 or you got to get some kind of work, 681 00:38:10,343 --> 00:38:12,009 or you got to do some kind of something. 682 00:38:12,010 --> 00:38:13,899 And I was like, fuck it. 683 00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:15,099 No, I'm out, I'm out. 684 00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:15,639 I'm good. 685 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,949 I was like, later. 686 00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:19,819 And I just, you know, started staying at squats. 687 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,119 782 DOMINIC CHIANESE: C-Squat was where a lot of the street punk 688 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,822 rockers would just live. 689 00:38:32,250 --> 00:38:35,019 785 And Harley lived there with his pit bull. 690 00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:36,779 I'll never forget it. 691 00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:39,609 The dog would, like, sit there, and like, 692 00:38:39,610 --> 00:38:41,789 hear the rats running through the walls. 693 00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:44,344 And then one time, it just darted right through the drywall 694 00:38:44,345 --> 00:38:46,219 and came out with a fucking rat in its mouth. 695 00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:49,629 That kind of-- those kind of images were-- were very-- 696 00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:53,784 were very, uh-- they stuck in my mind. 697 00:38:53,785 --> 00:38:55,159 Are you ready to start filming? 698 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,159 NEFERTITI JONES: He found a family that was his crew. 699 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,939 That was the crew that was gonna protect you 700 00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:03,589 against the stuff that happens to you. 701 00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:06,039 And even though these people are actually pulling you 702 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,819 further down into this depth of hell, 703 00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:11,259 they're going down there with you, 704 00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:14,567 and you somehow take solace in that. 705 00:39:14,568 --> 00:39:16,359 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I was living in a building 706 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,589 with no fucking electricity and no water, 707 00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:21,402 and I was shoplifting to fucking feed myself. 708 00:39:21,403 --> 00:39:23,319 Hey, make sure you get Franny on this floor. 709 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:23,819 You ready? 710 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:24,521 Start filming. 711 00:39:24,522 --> 00:39:25,729 So tell me when you're ready. 712 00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:27,479 ROGER MIRET: We lived in a squat together. 713 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,599 We pretty much roamed all New York City. 714 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,149 We were running that place, doing delinquent things. 715 00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:36,009 We wanna get tattoo, we need money. 716 00:39:36,010 --> 00:39:38,644 And then we would do dumb things, you know, 717 00:39:38,645 --> 00:39:39,769 I'm not really proud of it. 718 00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:42,439 And we'd go to Mikey's Tattoo and get tattooed. 719 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,649 We looked out for each other. 720 00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:44,732 We were a tribe, you know? 721 00:39:44,733 --> 00:39:45,299 A real tribe. 722 00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:48,269 (SINGING) All you do [INAUDIBLE] up at the end 723 00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:50,279 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I wasn't a mean person, 724 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,979 but I had to kinda talk myself into being worked up. 725 00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:55,825 I got to take this dude's shit just to kinda survive. 726 00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:01,289 823 You raise yourself in a wild environment. 727 00:40:01,290 --> 00:40:03,239 So you're Wolf Boy, basically. 728 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,969 And that is the definition of being feral, 729 00:40:05,970 --> 00:40:07,939 where you just kind of, I'll eat that. 730 00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:08,899 Are you done with that? 731 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:10,619 Here, that'll be dinner. 732 00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:13,719 And you get used to it pretty fast. 733 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,719 SACHA JENKINS: Did you have a jar full of teeth? 734 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:16,347 No. 735 00:40:16,348 --> 00:40:17,889 OK, so I heard that you had a jar-- 736 00:40:17,890 --> 00:40:18,049 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I mean-- 737 00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:18,514 - full of teeth. 738 00:40:18,515 --> 00:40:20,639 HARLEY FLANAGAN:--I've knocked out a lot of teeth. 739 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,629 I did used to save things from people that I would stomp out. 740 00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:25,521 Right. 741 00:40:25,522 --> 00:40:26,789 Boots that I took off. 742 00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:29,869 Skinheads that I thought were punks and didn't have the right 743 00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:31,889 to rep being a skinhead. 744 00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:34,339 Why did you have a hit put out on you? 745 00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:38,179 Because I-- I fucked up this-- one of the people who ran 746 00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:39,359 the Pyramid Club. 747 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,089 It was just one of those dumb nights of just stupid shit. 748 00:40:43,090 --> 00:40:46,077 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC] 749 00:40:46,078 --> 00:40:47,119 Welcome to the Pyramid. 750 00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:54,249 848 ANDREW CASTRUCCI: The Pyramid Club was a famous gay club. 751 00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:55,989 But even hardcore music was played there. 752 00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:56,739 It was everything. 753 00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:59,009 It was cabaret. 754 00:40:59,010 --> 00:41:02,019 Harley and his crew were going after people 755 00:41:02,020 --> 00:41:05,104 going to the Pyramid, and, you know, they were smoking dust. 756 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,869 855 The guys in the Pyramid raised $10,000 to go after Harley. 757 00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:17,099 They hired a Puerto Rican local gang to-- 758 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,294 to either kill Harley or rough him up. 759 00:41:21,612 --> 00:41:23,319 859 HARLEY FLANAGAN: They were from my block. 760 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,145 They were from 12th Street. 761 00:41:25,146 --> 00:41:26,679 You know, they knew who I was. 762 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,149 They knew who my mom was. 763 00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:31,889 I remember being a little kid in school, 764 00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:35,219 and people talking about Pigman. 765 00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:38,099 And he would pull up on people in his blue Nova 766 00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:39,859 and blast them with a shotgun. 767 00:41:39,860 --> 00:41:41,133 [GUNSHOT] 768 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,199 869 Imagine what it feels like when you're like 15 or 16, 769 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,699 and all of a sudden, like, you know, 770 00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:50,639 you basically have the boogeyman looking for you, you know. 771 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,069 It's like having fucking Freddy Krueger or some shit 772 00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:54,229 having a hit on you. 773 00:41:57,630 --> 00:42:00,029 875 At one time, they, like, kicked in the door 774 00:42:00,030 --> 00:42:02,969 at a friend of mine's apartment and put guns 775 00:42:02,970 --> 00:42:06,154 in people's mouths and shit, looking for me. 776 00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:12,779 879 Probably the only reason it didn't seem as nuts as it was 777 00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:16,109 is because I was always fucking tripping on acid or fucked 778 00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:16,939 up all the time. 779 00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:23,979 883 Shit was getting pretty dangerous for me. 780 00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:26,919 And, you know, there was this band playing at A7. 781 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,269 They were from California, and they were leaving that night. 782 00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:35,539 So I piled in the car with them, and, you know, we headed west. 783 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,429 888 I wind up in San Francisco living at the vats, an abandoned 784 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:47,919 brewery. 785 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,204 I was literally staying in an air vent. 786 00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:57,609 892 That's where I started doing crystal meth and shit like that. 787 00:42:57,610 --> 00:43:02,109 I was eating acid every day practically. 788 00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:05,389 Nothing about this didn't seem normal. 789 00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:08,763 [SOMBER MUSIC] 790 00:43:14,066 --> 00:43:17,439 897 [ROCK MUSIC] 791 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:33,776 899 792 00:43:33,777 --> 00:43:35,609 HARLEY FLANAGAN: The lyrics were my journal. 793 00:43:35,610 --> 00:43:39,109 I was starting to come of age, writing my own songs. 794 00:43:39,110 --> 00:43:41,499 I was like trying to create my own sound of music. 795 00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:49,109 904 It would be a real motherfucking-- 796 00:43:49,110 --> 00:43:51,059 just a real fucking joy-- 797 00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:51,559 Yeah. 798 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,851 - to just have some fun, man. 799 00:43:52,852 --> 00:43:54,569 And just play some fucking music. 800 00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:55,579 Love it. 801 00:43:55,580 --> 00:43:59,009 When we focus enough on our craft, 802 00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:01,549 it doesn't matter whether the craft is simple or complex 803 00:44:01,550 --> 00:44:03,809 or what fucking style it is. 804 00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:05,579 It's that within the context of it, 805 00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:07,549 you're able to articulate your fucking self. 806 00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:08,179 Sincerity. 807 00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:11,973 And yourself, the way that you feel. 808 00:44:11,974 --> 00:44:15,169 You know, as a kid, you don't really 809 00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:18,139 know how to make sense of things-- 810 00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:21,049 if someone's abusive to you, the world 811 00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:24,119 seems dishonest, if you're scared to be in your own house, 812 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,497 like how it was for me as a kid. 813 00:44:25,498 --> 00:44:26,789 I was scared to be in my house. 814 00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:28,349 It was a scary fucking place. 815 00:44:28,350 --> 00:44:33,959 And when I found music and found also, 816 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,629 like, a community of musicians, being 817 00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:38,639 in that space where you're playing music 818 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,719 and you're channeling this thing that's way bigger than you-- 819 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:42,219 Woo! 820 00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:46,859 930 FLEA:--you're free. 821 00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:52,607 You're tapping your highest self, and you're expressing it. 822 00:44:52,608 --> 00:44:54,399 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I'm writing about my life, 823 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,107 running the streets and getting in fights 824 00:44:56,108 --> 00:44:58,079 and getting jumped and fighting back and just 825 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,699 being a fucking maniac. 826 00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:04,559 You know, without music, I would have probably-- 827 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,229 I would have definitely ended up dead or in jail. 828 00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:10,274 [TARZAN JUNGLE CALL] 829 00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:13,469 940 Shut the fuck up! 830 00:45:13,470 --> 00:45:14,369 Let me get one. 831 00:45:14,370 --> 00:45:16,479 I got my knife. 832 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,859 All right, you got your knife? 833 00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:22,979 It's the concrete jungle, ain't it? 834 00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:23,779 Yeah, right? 835 00:45:23,780 --> 00:45:24,279 Come on. 836 00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:28,049 948 [WHISTLES] 837 00:45:28,050 --> 00:45:29,454 Hey! 838 00:45:29,455 --> 00:45:31,829 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I was going out with this Canadian chick 839 00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:32,889 from Montreal. 840 00:45:32,890 --> 00:45:34,959 She was like 18 or 19. 841 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,189 I was 15 years old. 842 00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:39,259 And I decided to go back there with her. 843 00:45:43,890 --> 00:45:48,719 956 Now here I am in fucking Canada, and we're, like, 844 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:50,739 staying at all kinds of crazy places 845 00:45:50,740 --> 00:45:52,489 where people aren't even supposed to live. 846 00:45:55,925 --> 00:45:57,549 960 We wound up hooking up with these guys. 847 00:45:57,550 --> 00:45:59,139 They were in their 20s. 848 00:45:59,140 --> 00:46:00,609 They were skinheads. 849 00:46:00,610 --> 00:46:03,629 These particular assholes were completely 850 00:46:03,630 --> 00:46:07,109 fucking out of their mind. 851 00:46:07,110 --> 00:46:09,159 Pentagram tattooed all over them. 852 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,389 Swastikas all over them. 853 00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:14,339 They were like satanic Nazi skinheads. 854 00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:19,319 I enjoyed a fight, but I wasn't into just, like, extreme 855 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,649 violence for the sake of it. 856 00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:23,794 These guys were. 857 00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:29,809 972 That's when it really turned into, like, 858 00:46:29,810 --> 00:46:32,084 some real, like, Clockwork Orange shit. 859 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,889 975 We'd eat acid and sit around listening to aggressive music 860 00:46:38,890 --> 00:46:41,354 and just, like, getting revved up and pumped up. 861 00:46:45,610 --> 00:46:48,399 978 Stretching, doing splits and shit, 862 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,764 because they know they're gonna go out fucking fight that night. 863 00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:58,449 981 We're walking down the street. 864 00:46:58,450 --> 00:47:01,449 One of them, like, kicks this dude in the fucking face 865 00:47:01,450 --> 00:47:03,259 as he's walking by. 866 00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:06,689 [POUNDING MUSIC] 867 00:47:11,110 --> 00:47:13,479 986 I'm the last one standing. 868 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,172 I got this pipe in my jacket. 869 00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:21,919 989 If you don't get your hands dirty, 870 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,869 you know you're next on the menu. 871 00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:25,569 That's just the fucking-- 872 00:47:25,570 --> 00:47:28,699 that's the law of the land, man, in that street shit. 873 00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:31,519 [POUNDING MUSIC] 874 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,299 The chick that I went to Canada with, 875 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:35,539 she used to go out with one of these dudes. 876 00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:38,321 So, you know, it was only a matter of time. 877 00:47:38,322 --> 00:47:40,279 He started trying to fuck around with her again 878 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,569 while we were there. 879 00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:43,069 Yeah. 880 00:47:43,070 --> 00:47:47,218 And when she wasn't having it, you know, 881 00:47:47,219 --> 00:47:49,019 it took them a whole about-- 882 00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:52,799 about five minutes or so to decide one night, you know, 883 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,769 fuck this kid. 884 00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:57,529 [ROCK MUSIC] 885 00:47:57,530 --> 00:48:01,429 The three of them said, Harley, get up. 886 00:48:01,430 --> 00:48:06,229 I go like this to get up, and I get kicked right in the face. 887 00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:07,709 She starts screaming. 888 00:48:07,710 --> 00:48:09,749 She's trying to jump on them and this and that. 889 00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:11,569 One of them's holding her, and the two 890 00:48:11,570 --> 00:48:15,409 are just kicking the fucking living shit out of me. 891 00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:16,329 They took turns. 892 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,379 1013 And then they said, we're going out. 893 00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:25,639 When we come back, you better fucking be gone. 894 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,004 We packed and got the fuck out of there. 895 00:48:33,590 --> 00:48:37,339 1017 That was the first time that I ever got beat to the point 896 00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:40,609 where I needed to go to the hospital. 897 00:48:40,610 --> 00:48:42,389 That shit was getting infected. 898 00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:45,709 And, like-- like it had been kicked around a bunch of times 899 00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:51,709 by three guys wearing steel-toed boots, you know. 900 00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:53,647 Maybe that's why my teeth look like this. 901 00:48:53,648 --> 00:48:55,189 Oh, yeah, come to think of it, I used 902 00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:57,209 to have straight teeth before I went to Canada. 903 00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:58,259 No, that's bullshit. 904 00:48:58,260 --> 00:49:01,069 My teeth were always fucked up. 905 00:49:01,070 --> 00:49:02,099 That was a joke, people. 906 00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:06,139 I'm trying to, you know, lighten up the fucking situation here. 907 00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:13,879 That same week, I got this tattoo of the devil 908 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,979 grabbing the world. 909 00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:19,039 He's just leaping through the universe 910 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,459 and reaching out and grabbing it. 911 00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:26,309 I just felt like just the world was going to hell-- 912 00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:30,569 like, everything and everybody in it. 913 00:49:30,570 --> 00:49:33,634 That's when I was just like, you will fucking fear me. 914 00:49:37,950 --> 00:49:40,234 1037 That turned me into the Harley. 915 00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:49,809 1039 You look at me wrong, or for too long, I will fuck you up. 916 00:49:49,810 --> 00:49:53,295 [ROCK MUSIC] 917 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,289 1042 Everybody knew that I was starting 918 00:50:04,290 --> 00:50:05,559 a band called the Cro-Mags. 919 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,249 I was writing it everywhere. 920 00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:11,979 I'd wake up at C-Squat, come up with an idea. 921 00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:13,629 I didn't have any way to record it. 922 00:50:13,630 --> 00:50:15,279 You know, we didn't have electricity. 923 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,419 So a lot of times I would go to a payphone 924 00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:22,119 and call Paris and be like, don't pick up the phone. 925 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,169 And I would hum a riff into his machine, 926 00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:29,709 you know, and he would learn it and come back 927 00:50:29,710 --> 00:50:32,539 and we would play it. 928 00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:35,913 [ROCK MUSIC] 929 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,339 1055 As the Cro-Mags, we came out of the starting gate, 930 00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:41,601 crushing all the other bands. 931 00:50:41,602 --> 00:50:43,059 Most of the other bands didn't even 932 00:50:43,060 --> 00:50:46,629 wanna play with us in New York because we all were musicians. 933 00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:49,839 Parris grew up listening to rock and playing. 934 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,009 Mackie was also a really good drummer, 935 00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:56,354 and then John was just a chaotic ball of energy on stage. 936 00:50:59,350 --> 00:51:01,599 1063 And it wasn't really about vocals as much 937 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,969 as it was about energy and presence and attitude. 938 00:51:06,970 --> 00:51:11,719 We developed a pretty strong fan base, like, right away. 939 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:12,219 Those 940 00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:14,439 Shows were packed. 941 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,769 We're mad. 942 00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:18,259 Not even punk rock records do it anymore. 943 00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:19,979 We need stronger stuff. 944 00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:21,799 Hardcore is the answer. 945 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,659 With hardcore bands, it's written 946 00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:26,909 by young people for young people, so it's fresh. 947 00:51:26,910 --> 00:51:29,519 It's right out of the water onto your plate. 948 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,819 How can it not be infectious? 949 00:51:31,820 --> 00:51:36,269 The audience is wild, and the band is wild. 950 00:51:36,270 --> 00:51:39,799 And you see four bands doing four 40-minute sets. 951 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,629 And CBGB's would be 300 pounds heavier 952 00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:47,499 from sweat going into the floor at the end of a matinee. 953 00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:53,169 1081 OK. 954 00:51:53,170 --> 00:51:55,086 BROOKE SMITH: That was [INAUDIBLE] [? Cass. ?] 955 00:51:55,087 --> 00:51:57,199 HARLEY FLANAGAN: Yeah, I remember all these faces. 956 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:57,979 What the fuck was that-- 957 00:51:57,980 --> 00:51:59,021 BROOKE SMITH: Jenny Lush. 958 00:51:59,022 --> 00:52:00,949 HARLEY FLANAGAN: Jenny Lush. 959 00:52:00,950 --> 00:52:02,809 Yeah. 960 00:52:02,810 --> 00:52:06,349 BROOKE SMITH: I mean, I think that my way in what-- 961 00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:08,849 I-- I felt that's what I had to offer. 962 00:52:08,850 --> 00:52:11,927 Like, you know, I could say, I took pictures of you guys. 963 00:52:11,928 --> 00:52:12,719 These are the ones. 964 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,339 HARLEY FLANAGAN: That's my Jaco Pastorius bass. 965 00:52:14,340 --> 00:52:15,049 BROOKE SMITH: So these are the ones 966 00:52:15,050 --> 00:52:16,819 I was talking about that were not-- 967 00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:17,669 HARLEY FLANAGAN: Irving Plaza. 968 00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:19,711 BROOKE SMITH: They were totally blown out before. 969 00:52:19,712 --> 00:52:23,059 And then when I rescanned them, they got better. 970 00:52:23,060 --> 00:52:24,414 I still have those boots. 971 00:52:24,415 --> 00:52:25,289 BROOKE SMITH: You do? 972 00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:27,456 They have fucking teeth marks, and the steel toes, 973 00:52:27,457 --> 00:52:28,609 and everything. 974 00:52:28,610 --> 00:52:31,769 I'm like fucking red braces, plaid shirt. 975 00:52:31,770 --> 00:52:32,889 Fucking hell, man. 976 00:52:32,890 --> 00:52:33,389 I'm like-- 977 00:52:33,390 --> 00:52:35,264 BROOKE SMITH: I guess you knew your audience. 978 00:52:35,265 --> 00:52:36,889 [UPBEAT MUSIC] 979 00:52:36,890 --> 00:52:38,439 I grew up in Rockland County, and I 980 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,189 would take the bus into the city, and then 981 00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:42,389 the train downtown to Westport. 982 00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:46,729 And then I would get out and walk east. 983 00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:48,041 I wanted truth. 984 00:52:48,042 --> 00:52:50,124 And everybody was real, they weren't full of shit. 985 00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:56,479 1114 It's just so wild to me that we all just somehow found 986 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,039 each other. 987 00:52:59,690 --> 00:53:02,249 1117 How did no one see? 988 00:53:02,250 --> 00:53:06,539 How did no one say, are you OK? 989 00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:09,431 You know? 990 00:53:09,432 --> 00:53:13,039 So many of us had come from alcoholic parents 991 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:18,179 or whatever sexual abuse stuff was happening. 992 00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:23,009 How many people in your film have been sexually abused? 993 00:53:23,010 --> 00:53:24,484 Has anyone not been? 994 00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:29,609 1125 Oh. 995 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,739 1127 MAN: This guy's tattoo, look. 996 00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:37,379 RAY CAPPO: It sort of felt like, OK, these are my people. 997 00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:38,712 Back in my school, I'm a freak. 998 00:53:38,713 --> 00:53:41,129 All the people are coming from New Jersey, or Long Island, 999 00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:43,046 or Connecticut, or Queens, and they're freaks. 1000 00:53:43,047 --> 00:53:46,289 And they're all coming together for a big freak parade. 1001 00:53:46,290 --> 00:53:47,549 Here's to the ink. 1002 00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:48,629 Yeah! 1003 00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:49,711 That's-- is this for TV? 1004 00:53:49,712 --> 00:53:51,419 And now we're gonna listen to some band 1005 00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:53,049 play their freaky music. 1006 00:53:53,050 --> 00:53:56,465 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 1007 00:54:00,870 --> 00:54:03,369 1140 SCOTT IAN: I remember that anticipation of, like, 1008 00:54:03,370 --> 00:54:06,569 knowing the Cro-Mags, literally, are about to walk on stage 1009 00:54:06,570 --> 00:54:09,509 and, you know, we got to know is gonna kick in, and it's just 1010 00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:10,149 like-- 1011 00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:13,229 like it's just insanity. 1012 00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:15,279 All right. 1013 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,929 We're the Cro-Mags! 1014 00:54:16,930 --> 00:54:22,030 SCOTT IAN: It's terrifying and it's awesome at the same time. 1015 00:54:22,031 --> 00:54:25,369 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 1016 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,219 1150 I've never bungee-jumped, but that's what I compare it to. 1017 00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:34,489 Because you know in three seconds, 1018 00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:38,319 I might end up in the hospital, or I might just 1019 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,429 dance and have the, you know, the time of my life. 1020 00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:42,409 But you're still going, you're going in. 1021 00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:44,639 You don't care, you're going in. 1022 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,069 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 1023 00:54:58,070 --> 00:55:04,749 1158 1024 00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:07,879 BROOKE SMITH: I know that after a show, I felt better. 1025 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,859 Maybe it's the feeling I get from hot yoga now. 1026 00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:14,779 [LAUGHS] It's so not that feeling. 1027 00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:17,699 But that thing of just getting it out, getting it out, 1028 00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:20,479 you know, dancing, and sweating, and-- 1029 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:21,575 and raging. 1030 00:55:21,576 --> 00:55:24,845 [PIERCING MUSIC] 1031 00:55:34,846 --> 00:55:38,959 1167 1032 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,029 INTERVIEWER: Is this about being angry at your parents? 1033 00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:43,469 I'm gonna ask this one more time. 1034 00:55:43,470 --> 00:55:45,844 Like, it's not the parents that were rebelling against. 1035 00:55:45,845 --> 00:55:47,329 This is more like-- 1036 00:55:47,330 --> 00:55:49,699 authority who tries to just, like, cram 1037 00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:52,789 all kinds of materialistic, like, bogus views 1038 00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:54,899 down our throats since, like, childhood. 1039 00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:57,049 When I go to a show, we don't sit around 1040 00:55:57,050 --> 00:55:59,629 and talk about what our parents are saying, 1041 00:55:59,630 --> 00:56:01,229 or how school is going. 1042 00:56:01,230 --> 00:56:02,339 I don't know, I mean-- 1043 00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:05,729 we're-- you know, I mean, we're there to-- to have a good time, 1044 00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:09,259 you know, with our friends, seeing bands that we like. 1045 00:56:09,260 --> 00:56:10,969 What do you-- what you plan to do-- 1046 00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:12,599 I play bass with the Cro-Mags. 1047 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,202 We got an album coming out, too. 1048 00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:23,566 1185 [ROCK MUSIC] 1049 00:56:23,567 --> 00:56:25,399 JOE NELSON: We would go off into the weekend 1050 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,929 night, and the Cro-Mags Age of Quarrel, 1051 00:56:27,930 --> 00:56:28,979 that would be our anthem. 1052 00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:32,039 I first discovered the Cro-Mags as a teenager. 1053 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:37,459 So I grew up in suburban Southern California. 1054 00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:39,559 Pop that tape into the car, and, like, 1055 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,639 we're listening to Age of Quarrel on repeat all night. 1056 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,389 It was so raw and brutal. 1057 00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:49,889 JOCKO WILLINK: When I first heard Age of Quarrel, 1058 00:56:49,890 --> 00:56:52,199 I was like, oh, this is what I've been looking for. 1059 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,329 Because what are you gonna listen to? 1060 00:56:54,330 --> 00:56:58,259 The Eagles, Boston, or REO Speedwagon, right? 1061 00:56:58,260 --> 00:56:59,729 That's-- that's not in my head. 1062 00:56:59,730 --> 00:57:02,852 I-- I hear it, it's a thing, but it doesn't fit in there right. 1063 00:57:02,853 --> 00:57:04,519 Here the Cro-Mags, and you go, oh, yeah, 1064 00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,602 this is what's in my head. 1065 00:57:05,603 --> 00:57:08,735 [ROCK MUSIC] 1066 00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:19,799 1204 HARLEY FLANAGAN: My first big break 1067 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,909 was when we went on tour with Motorhead. 1068 00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:28,646 1207 You know, it opened us up to a different crowd. 1069 00:57:28,647 --> 00:57:30,479 All of a sudden, you had a lot of metalheads 1070 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,079 discovering hardcore. 1071 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,432 [UPBEAT MUSIC] 1072 00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:39,659 1212 And what really changed everything 1073 00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:42,719 was the-- we got no video because that 1074 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:48,475 showcased what hardcore was all about for the first time on MTV. 1075 00:57:48,476 --> 00:57:51,843 [ROCK MUSIC] 1076 00:57:59,329 --> 00:58:02,821 1217 [CROWD CHEERING, WHISTLING] 1077 00:58:10,608 --> 00:58:12,649 1219 IAN MACKAYE: The New York scene was really aggro, 1078 00:58:12,650 --> 00:58:15,759 like skinhead being bruisers. 1079 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,419 It was absurd that people had to get beat up 1080 00:58:19,420 --> 00:58:21,469 over their fucking shoelaces. 1081 00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:24,699 Like skinheads didn't like red shoelaces, or just 1082 00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:27,969 any reason to fight. 1083 00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:31,779 RAY CAPPO: Shit can go down in any moment. 1084 00:58:31,780 --> 00:58:34,419 One particular story I remember of Harley 1085 00:58:34,420 --> 00:58:38,749 threatening this guy with a chair leg and a nail in it. 1086 00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:41,079 Something about stealing the guy's boots 1087 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,464 and beating them anyway. 1088 00:58:46,270 --> 00:58:49,429 1231 MAN: I didn't come to hardcore for physical intimidation. 1089 00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:51,489 I came to hardcore to be inspired, 1090 00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:54,219 to look at kids, white, Black, green, and other, 1091 00:58:54,220 --> 00:58:57,739 who were doing things, who were making things or making zines. 1092 00:58:57,740 --> 00:58:58,819 They were making music. 1093 00:58:58,820 --> 00:59:00,519 They were booking shows. 1094 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,699 So I benefited from that. 1095 00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:09,479 1239 That's what I took from hardcore. 1096 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,859 I didn't take the thug shit. 1097 00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:13,739 Fuck, I got thug shit all day in my neighborhood. 1098 00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:17,299 Why would I want thug shit from a bunch of white dudes anyway? 1099 00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:20,989 I think there's something to white male identity 1100 00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:25,669 and manifest destiny that white dudes got to go at each other, 1101 00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:27,549 to be the top dog or the top banana. 1102 00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:37,489 1247 NEFERTITI JONES: I remember going to Cro-Mags at CBGB's. 1103 00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:39,749 It just felt very militant. 1104 00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:42,839 It felt very Aryan race or something like. 1105 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:43,519 It was like-- 1106 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,619 I was like, wow, this is a little too white for me, 1107 00:59:46,620 --> 00:59:49,159 a little too skinhead for me, a little too freaking 1108 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,849 angry for me. 1109 00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:54,539 And not that Harley wasn't still, of course, nice, 1110 00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:57,209 but he just-- he wasn't like, hey, Nef! 1111 00:59:57,210 --> 00:59:59,069 It was like, hey, cool, thanks. 1112 00:59:59,070 --> 01:00:01,264 Thanks-- you know. 1113 01:00:01,265 --> 01:00:03,889 HENRY ROLLINS: That's the period of time where I kind of didn't 1114 01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:05,449 wanna know that guy. 1115 01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:06,719 You're a dangerous dude. 1116 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,909 You're gonna end up in jail. 1117 01:00:08,910 --> 01:00:11,659 You're gonna end up dead. 1118 01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:16,009 Like, you're really on the edge, man. 1119 01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:20,099 IAN MACKAYE: I will say that, as fucked up as he has been, 1120 01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:23,449 I always thought that he had a good heart. 1121 01:00:23,450 --> 01:00:25,349 I just felt like he's a good guy, 1122 01:00:25,350 --> 01:00:29,059 and I'm sorry that his armor is so heavy. 1123 01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:32,089 I think everybody should try to be a little bit more aware 1124 01:00:32,090 --> 01:00:35,029 of, you know, of their past, and their present, 1125 01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:37,676 and-- and the future, and about their relationship with God. 1126 01:00:37,677 --> 01:00:40,009 The big thing about the Cro-Mags isn't just their live 1127 01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:43,289 set, it's the fact that two of them follow Hare Krishna. 1128 01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:45,879 Well, yeah, we-- he used to live at the temple for a long 1129 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:46,379 time. 1130 01:00:46,380 --> 01:00:48,019 We all, you know, we all read Bhagavad Gita, 1131 01:00:48,020 --> 01:00:50,599 and the scriptures are really a good guideline because it's 1132 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,559 like the oldest source of knowledge in it, 1133 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,819 and it really stands strong, and up to, 1134 01:00:55,820 --> 01:00:57,864 and very relevant to what's happening today. 1135 01:00:57,865 --> 01:01:01,179 [SOMBER MUSIC] 1136 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,439 1282 I think the Krishna thing in New York 1137 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,689 was a reaction to what the Bad Brains were 1138 01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:09,669 doing with Rastafarianism and sort of this consciousness. 1139 01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:12,239 And it was probably a little bit more 1140 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,269 easy to get with if you were white. 1141 01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:17,919 The music of the Cro-Mags is so powerful, 1142 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,219 and they were such charismatic dudes 1143 01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:23,369 that really inspired other people in the hardcore scene 1144 01:01:23,370 --> 01:01:27,119 to learn about it and become a part of it. 1145 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,389 HARLEY FLANAGAN: It's just like an ancient way of thinking 1146 01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:31,954 that gave some kind of hope. 1147 01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:38,609 1294 It was one of the first parts of me that-- 1148 01:01:38,610 --> 01:01:45,909 steering myself away from the extreme violence of-- 1149 01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:54,459 1297 RAY CAPPO: Youth of Today, my band, was playing, 1150 01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:56,789 and Harley missed our performance 1151 01:01:56,790 --> 01:01:59,769 because he got in a fight with somebody. 1152 01:01:59,770 --> 01:02:05,109 And after the show, he called me to come walk with him. 1153 01:02:05,110 --> 01:02:09,079 He pulls out his stick with a nail in it, 1154 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,139 and he starts rapping it against his hand. 1155 01:02:12,140 --> 01:02:16,049 And I was like, it could go real south real quick right now. 1156 01:02:19,450 --> 01:02:25,059 1305 And he starts preaching to me that we could die at any moment. 1157 01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:28,299 And the illusion of the world is that we think 1158 01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:29,809 we're gonna live forever-- 1159 01:02:29,810 --> 01:02:31,779 but it's just not true. 1160 01:02:31,780 --> 01:02:33,802 Whack, whack, whack. 1161 01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:41,784 1311 And then we started walking down into the First Avenue subway 1162 01:02:41,785 --> 01:02:42,284 station. 1163 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,039 1314 He doesn't let up his preaching to me 1164 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:52,269 about transcendental spiritual philosophy of the ancient gold 1165 01:02:52,270 --> 01:02:54,199 standard of spirituality. 1166 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,819 And now, it's getting passed on to me in a dirty subway station 1167 01:02:57,820 --> 01:03:00,299 by a guy who looks like a human pit bull. 1168 01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:07,299 1320 He goes, you got to learn compassion 1169 01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:10,009 before you can advance in spiritual life. 1170 01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:14,859 So we see spirit in every living being. 1171 01:03:14,860 --> 01:03:18,589 After that beautiful soliloquy, he jumps the turnstile, 1172 01:03:18,590 --> 01:03:21,169 and the lady at the subway booth was like, 1173 01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:22,589 hey, get back here, pay your fare! 1174 01:03:25,390 --> 01:03:27,629 1327 So he just looks at the lady and goes, F you! 1175 01:03:30,580 --> 01:03:33,849 1329 That was my introduction to the spiritual philosophy 1176 01:03:33,850 --> 01:03:36,429 of the east. 1177 01:03:36,430 --> 01:03:40,749 And it was sort of a seed which changed the entire trajectory 1178 01:03:40,750 --> 01:03:42,219 of my life. 1179 01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:44,139 We're all brothers and sisters. 1180 01:03:44,140 --> 01:03:45,649 Is this not the truth? 1181 01:03:45,650 --> 01:03:46,149 CROWD: Yeah! 1182 01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:49,099 Is there any need for all this nonsense, all people? 1183 01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:53,289 You got short hair, I got long hair, this, that-- fuck that! 1184 01:03:53,290 --> 01:03:55,268 We're all brothers, right? 1185 01:03:55,269 --> 01:03:58,761 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC] 1186 01:04:08,762 --> 01:04:18,761 1341 1187 01:04:21,230 --> 01:04:24,049 1343 It was strange to be successful, and we're 1188 01:04:24,050 --> 01:04:25,614 pretty much all still broke. 1189 01:04:33,290 --> 01:04:35,369 1346 We give you the rundown of a band. 1190 01:04:35,370 --> 01:04:38,879 It's like the-- the rehearsal studio gets paid. 1191 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,189 The recording studio gets paid. 1192 01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:43,459 The record label gets paid. 1193 01:04:43,460 --> 01:04:45,291 The-- everyone that works around us-- 1194 01:04:45,292 --> 01:04:46,249 The lawyer gets paid. 1195 01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:47,164 - the lawyer gets paid. 1196 01:04:47,165 --> 01:04:48,886 The manager gets paid. 1197 01:04:48,887 --> 01:04:50,009 The clubs get paid. 1198 01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:53,049 Everybody gets paid first, and then the band. 1199 01:04:53,050 --> 01:04:54,014 And so a lot of times-- 1200 01:04:54,015 --> 01:04:55,847 By the time we get paid, we're lucky if we 1201 01:04:55,848 --> 01:04:56,889 can afford breakfast. 1202 01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:59,469 So that's why you got to play because you want to, 1203 01:04:59,470 --> 01:05:02,759 and because you, as a person, you have to-- 1204 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:03,999 to, like, feel whole. 1205 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,369 I mean, if I stopped playing music, I would like, 1206 01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:09,499 I'd fizzle away and die somewhere like a bum. 1207 01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,419 [UPBEAT MUSIC] 1208 01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:17,949 My life and John's in particular were pretty stressful. 1209 01:05:17,950 --> 01:05:22,109 We were like couch-surfing, and staying in squats, 1210 01:05:22,110 --> 01:05:24,532 and to feel like you're kind of getting ripped off 1211 01:05:24,533 --> 01:05:25,324 and all that stuff. 1212 01:05:27,930 --> 01:05:29,549 1371 As time went by, I think it created 1213 01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:33,299 a lot of tension between all of us as a band and-- 1214 01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:35,469 and as friends, and everything else, you know. 1215 01:05:45,470 --> 01:05:52,809 1375 1216 01:05:52,810 --> 01:05:55,789 When I was starting to really get fucked up on heroin, 1217 01:05:55,790 --> 01:05:57,849 my mom started flipping out, and she 1218 01:05:57,850 --> 01:05:59,769 starts, like, blaming it on-- it's, 1219 01:05:59,770 --> 01:06:01,369 you know, the girlfriend you're with. 1220 01:06:01,370 --> 01:06:02,577 I'm just like, you know what? 1221 01:06:02,578 --> 01:06:06,499 It's like, maybe I don't wanna be a fucking rock star. 1222 01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:08,689 You ever fucking think about that, Mom? 1223 01:06:08,690 --> 01:06:12,219 Maybe I'm tired of fucking living up to every fucking body 1224 01:06:12,220 --> 01:06:13,309 else's expectations. 1225 01:06:13,310 --> 01:06:17,259 Maybe I just wanna fucking be a scumbag, 1226 01:06:17,260 --> 01:06:22,009 and fucking shoot drugs, and fucking OD, and fuck everybody. 1227 01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:28,399 1388 It's hard to be that type of an intense person, 1228 01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,999 and to go to such extreme emotional dumps. 1229 01:06:34,510 --> 01:06:36,819 1391 And drugs become an easy way to deal 1230 01:06:36,820 --> 01:06:43,239 with fame and the confusion of popularity and the depression. 1231 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,669 It's a heavy thing to go from-- 1232 01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:48,189 [IMITATES SCREAMING] to the silence 1233 01:06:48,190 --> 01:06:50,294 of your room and your mind. 1234 01:06:55,180 --> 01:06:58,089 1397 I'd been seeing this chick for a while, 1235 01:06:58,090 --> 01:07:02,079 and we were both really fucked up on drugs. 1236 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,239 It was just spiraling. 1237 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,959 And I knew that if I didn't get the fuck out of town 1238 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,859 and get away from her that I was gonna end up dead. 1239 01:07:12,860 --> 01:07:14,099 So I split town. 1240 01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:25,599 1404 And while I was on the West Coast, she got in touch with me 1241 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,059 and told me that she had contracted AIDS 1242 01:07:28,060 --> 01:07:30,909 and that she was about to have a daughter. 1243 01:07:30,910 --> 01:07:33,429 Then she tells me that it might be mine. 1244 01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:37,539 And all I could think about was this unborn child 1245 01:07:37,540 --> 01:07:43,149 that was probably not gonna know anything about their mother. 1246 01:07:43,150 --> 01:07:45,409 I came back to New York, the kid had been born, 1247 01:07:45,410 --> 01:07:48,109 and I started taking care of the mother. 1248 01:07:48,110 --> 01:07:50,779 The other potential father candidate 1249 01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:54,319 who wound up being her father, was a crackhead. 1250 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,779 And I'm like this-- this kid has got nothing. 1251 01:07:57,780 --> 01:08:00,799 She's got nothing. 1252 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:07,459 I decided to clean up, so I started jogging. 1253 01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:14,239 And she abandoned the kid at a fucking crack house one day. 1254 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,909 And I went to that fucking crack house, and I took that child, 1255 01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:20,011 and all these crackheads were in there fucking-- 1256 01:08:20,012 --> 01:08:21,719 you can't take the baby, you can't take-- 1257 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,429 I said try to stop me, motherfucker. 1258 01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:25,669 Just try. 1259 01:08:25,670 --> 01:08:30,847 And I raised her for the first three years of her life. 1260 01:08:30,848 --> 01:08:34,270 [LIGHT MUSIC] 1261 01:08:44,271 --> 01:08:45,028 1426 1262 01:08:45,029 --> 01:08:47,199 I was so attached to her, I loved her so much. 1263 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,679 And, um-- and then the grandparents 1264 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,108 really didn't want me involved. 1265 01:08:52,109 --> 01:08:54,133 So I remember the last time I-- 1266 01:08:54,134 --> 01:08:58,688 I left her there with them, and she was crying hysterically. 1267 01:08:58,689 --> 01:09:00,619 Please, Daddy, don't go, Daddy, don't go. 1268 01:09:03,390 --> 01:09:05,789 1434 I still hear it, though, you know. 1269 01:09:05,790 --> 01:09:08,549 I could have relapsed that night. 1270 01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:13,528 I could have fell right on my face listening to that kid cry 1271 01:09:13,529 --> 01:09:15,759 and beg for me not to leave her. 1272 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:16,989 I said, you know what? 1273 01:09:16,990 --> 01:09:18,249 I saved her. 1274 01:09:18,250 --> 01:09:21,969 And if the one good thing that comes out of that besides that, 1275 01:09:21,970 --> 01:09:25,969 it's gonna be that I stay off fucking heroin. 1276 01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:35,709 1443 I'd rather die fighting than die because I gave up, 1277 01:09:35,710 --> 01:09:38,728 because you just don't know what is coming ahead. 1278 01:09:38,729 --> 01:09:43,199 It can really suck for a long time, but you may get to a place 1279 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,991 where, all of a sudden, everything changes. 1280 01:09:48,220 --> 01:09:52,629 1448 I take the train to work, and, uh, you know, 1281 01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:54,949 like every other New Yorker, you know? 1282 01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:05,949 1451 1283 01:10:05,950 --> 01:10:06,799 Look at that. 1284 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,489 He bridges towards me, brings his leg over. 1285 01:10:09,490 --> 01:10:11,989 That knee drives towards the ground. 1286 01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:17,959 He posts up on his left and pulls that arm out. 1287 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,509 Now he's in good position to go to side control. 1288 01:10:22,510 --> 01:10:25,419 Jiu-jitsu teaches you to channel, 1289 01:10:25,420 --> 01:10:28,269 to drive your aggressivity, which-- 1290 01:10:28,270 --> 01:10:30,379 this is the strength that moves you forward, 1291 01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:32,689 that drives you forward, that makes you conquer, 1292 01:10:32,690 --> 01:10:35,739 that makes you fall in love, that makes you drive forward 1293 01:10:35,740 --> 01:10:36,799 to achieve. 1294 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,549 Knee over-- yes, just like this. 1295 01:10:39,550 --> 01:10:41,859 Post with this arm and pull it out. 1296 01:10:41,860 --> 01:10:43,879 Pull it out! 1297 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,239 Yeah! 1298 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,919 I've seen Harley on every situation on this life. 1299 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,099 We've been friends for 25 years. 1300 01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:53,579 He didn't have direction when I met him know. 1301 01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:55,909 You know, his intensity was everywhere. 1302 01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:59,096 It's like sometimes, you-- you-- the wrong friends, the insecure, 1303 01:10:59,097 --> 01:11:00,429 because people don't understand. 1304 01:11:00,430 --> 01:11:02,019 Who is violent? 1305 01:11:02,020 --> 01:11:04,129 Insecure people, you know. 1306 01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:06,789 And I saw Harley completely changed here. 1307 01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:09,441 I'm going for this leg. 1308 01:11:09,442 --> 01:11:10,169 You go here. 1309 01:11:10,170 --> 01:11:11,919 Here, you can step forward when you do it. 1310 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:12,889 Go back again. 1311 01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:15,369 Now look first, in front of my face. 1312 01:11:15,370 --> 01:11:15,879 OK? 1313 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:16,839 Step here. 1314 01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,189 Replace, reinforce. 1315 01:11:19,190 --> 01:11:20,109 Yes! 1316 01:11:20,110 --> 01:11:21,409 Yeah, cover those two toes. 1317 01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:22,369 See, I want my-- 1318 01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:23,179 yes, elbows in. 1319 01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:23,679 OK. 1320 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:24,679 Easy, easy. 1321 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:25,269 Yes. 1322 01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:28,569 Once I'm here, I come behind it. 1323 01:11:28,570 --> 01:11:29,246 Make a fist. 1324 01:11:29,247 --> 01:11:30,829 Here, look, I'm gonna do it very easy. 1325 01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:33,229 Let's say I go to put my knuckle straight back behind me. 1326 01:11:33,230 --> 01:11:33,979 I'm gonna go easy. 1327 01:11:33,980 --> 01:11:34,521 Yeah, yeah. 1328 01:11:34,522 --> 01:11:36,069 Yes, motherfucker. 1329 01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:41,539 When I first started training at Renzo's, it was, I guess, 1330 01:11:41,540 --> 01:11:44,939 January or February of '96. 1331 01:11:44,940 --> 01:11:48,089 I had just fucking kicked, smack. 1332 01:11:48,090 --> 01:11:49,109 I was like big-- 1333 01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:52,124 I'd been all fucked up on crystal meth, and angel dust, 1334 01:11:52,125 --> 01:11:52,999 and fucking all that. 1335 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,124 You looked fucking nutty. 1336 01:11:54,125 --> 01:11:54,829 I was a mess. 1337 01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:57,379 That 10 year period that I started training and getting 1338 01:11:57,380 --> 01:11:59,629 my life together, Half the motherfuckers 1339 01:11:59,630 --> 01:12:03,144 that I know in music were, like, fucking dropping dead. 1340 01:12:03,145 --> 01:12:06,419 [RHYTHMIC MUSIC] 1341 01:12:16,420 --> 01:12:16,609 1512 1342 01:12:16,610 --> 01:12:19,549 If a band sticks around long enough 1343 01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:25,729 to become a brand or anything that has any lasting value, 1344 01:12:25,730 --> 01:12:28,049 you know, things are gonna change. 1345 01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:32,299 I mean, it's hard enough for people to stay married. 1346 01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:36,739 My life really changed when I became a father. 1347 01:12:36,740 --> 01:12:40,029 Being around my sons was really important for me. 1348 01:12:40,030 --> 01:12:44,614 I wanted to be, for them, what I really didn't have. 1349 01:12:47,250 --> 01:12:49,239 1521 The band actually never really fell apart. 1350 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,119 There was like a brief period of time 1351 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:56,374 that I was raised with my kids, and there was a, 1352 01:12:56,375 --> 01:13:03,364 you know, a masquerade going on of the band. 1353 01:13:08,340 --> 01:13:10,419 1526 When you're young, everybody's got a fucking ego, 1354 01:13:10,420 --> 01:13:12,899 everybody's, you know. 1355 01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:16,389 For John to take over Cro-Mags in the eyes of the fans, 1356 01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:18,569 he had to put dirt on me. 1357 01:13:18,570 --> 01:13:20,409 I had a kid, and I couldn't go on tour, 1358 01:13:20,410 --> 01:13:21,539 and the motherfucker booked the whole tour 1359 01:13:21,540 --> 01:13:22,869 and started touring without me. 1360 01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:26,362 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC] 1361 01:13:34,110 --> 01:13:37,709 1535 A stabbing melee broke out in the middle of the CBGB festival 1362 01:13:37,710 --> 01:13:39,909 Friday night when Harley Flanagan, 1363 01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:42,549 former bassist and founding member of the Cro-Mags, 1364 01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:45,319 showed up at his old band's gig at Webster Hall in New York 1365 01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:45,819 City. 1366 01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:47,559 MAN: There's like a hardcore fest. 1367 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,859 It's like a reunion fest bringing back a bunch of old 1368 01:13:49,860 --> 01:13:54,629 bands, and the Cro-Mags-- 1369 01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:57,389 I should say, a formation of the Cro-Mags or members 1370 01:13:57,390 --> 01:13:58,119 of the Cro-Mags-- 1371 01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,979 HARLEY FLANAGAN: Oh, man, you can just call it the Faux-Mags. 1372 01:13:59,980 --> 01:14:01,179 Let's just keep it real, man. 1373 01:14:01,180 --> 01:14:02,304 MAN: They were gonna play-- 1374 01:14:02,305 --> 01:14:05,849 A fake-ass band that does my songs with one of the old 1375 01:14:05,850 --> 01:14:07,799 members, you know. 1376 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,129 MAN: And they were gonna play? 1377 01:14:09,130 --> 01:14:09,629 Yes. 1378 01:14:13,170 --> 01:14:16,119 1553 HARLEY FLANAGAN: When I went to Webster Hall, 1379 01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,179 I went after teaching a jiu-jitsu class, you know. 1380 01:14:19,180 --> 01:14:20,619 I went straight from work. 1381 01:14:20,620 --> 01:14:23,959 I actually had passes. 1382 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,579 I was put on the guest list by one of the promoters. 1383 01:14:27,580 --> 01:14:29,579 Everybody knew I was gonna be there. 1384 01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:32,589 I mean, things were going pretty good for me at that moment, 1385 01:14:32,590 --> 01:14:33,459 I thought. 1386 01:14:33,460 --> 01:14:38,959 I actually had like this crazy idea that if I saw John, 1387 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:44,164 you know, we'd, you know, recognize something there. 1388 01:14:44,165 --> 01:14:45,039 You know what I mean? 1389 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,349 This is a guy that I, you know, was 1390 01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:48,709 pretty tight with growing up. 1391 01:14:48,710 --> 01:14:50,182 I mean, we used to live in squats. 1392 01:14:50,183 --> 01:14:51,849 We went through a lot of shit, you know. 1393 01:14:51,850 --> 01:14:53,266 We used to have to steal together. 1394 01:14:53,267 --> 01:14:54,409 We survived. 1395 01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:56,179 You know, we were out there hustling. 1396 01:14:56,180 --> 01:14:58,569 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 1397 01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,714 1573 Once fucker comes up to me, gives me a hug and says, 1398 01:15:06,715 --> 01:15:08,449 you know I always had love for you. 1399 01:15:08,450 --> 01:15:09,979 Let's go talk to John, man. 1400 01:15:09,980 --> 01:15:11,449 Let's go squash this shit. 1401 01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:13,459 This has been going on for way too long. 1402 01:15:13,460 --> 01:15:15,049 We walked to the dressing room. 1403 01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:17,124 The one guy opens the door. 1404 01:15:17,125 --> 01:15:20,859 I walk in, and I get punched from the side, punched 1405 01:15:20,860 --> 01:15:22,719 from the other side. 1406 01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,099 It was a complete and total fucking setup. 1407 01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:28,089 John went out, stood on the other side of that door 1408 01:15:28,090 --> 01:15:30,649 listening, and right before they closed the door, 1409 01:15:30,650 --> 01:15:33,589 my friend said he saw all those dudes gathering around the door 1410 01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:35,599 to jump on me when I walked in. 1411 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,039 (SINGING) Friends like you 1412 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,859 Who needs enemies 1413 01:15:39,860 --> 01:15:42,619 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I got fucking stabbed. 1414 01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:46,489 Do you think I'm gonna go by myself 1415 01:15:46,490 --> 01:15:49,069 and attack a fucking room full of people? 1416 01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:51,369 This ain't a fucking Jackie fucking Chan movie-- 1417 01:15:51,370 --> 01:15:51,869 MAN: Right. 1418 01:15:51,870 --> 01:15:53,007 - you know? 1419 01:15:53,008 --> 01:15:55,049 JOE NELSON: The way it was depicted in the media, 1420 01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:58,499 Harley took a knife, fucking charge to Webster Hall, 1421 01:15:58,500 --> 01:16:00,799 ran up the stairs and was stabbing everyone, 1422 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,766 like, I'm fucking killing everyone in this fucking place. 1423 01:16:03,767 --> 01:16:05,099 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I got cut, too. 1424 01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:07,629 I'm just lucky that I had a fucking knife in my bag, 1425 01:16:07,630 --> 01:16:08,129 you know. 1426 01:16:08,130 --> 01:16:10,679 And people will say, why did you have a knife or whatever? 1427 01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,409 I always have a fucking knife on me. 1428 01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:14,999 You know, I had that-- it's a fucking tool, you know. 1429 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,939 I use it for all kinds of shit. 1430 01:16:16,940 --> 01:16:18,979 I got one on me right now. 1431 01:16:18,980 --> 01:16:20,699 I'm on my couch. 1432 01:16:20,700 --> 01:16:22,507 [LAUGHS] 1433 01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:27,239 1610 Flanagan was transported to the hospital. 1434 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,249 Cops charged him with two counts of second-degree assault 1435 01:16:30,250 --> 01:16:31,859 and weapons charges. 1436 01:16:31,860 --> 01:16:36,929 HARLEY FLANAGAN: So I went from the hospital, to the Tombs, 1437 01:16:36,930 --> 01:16:41,229 and then, eventually, to Rikers. 1438 01:16:41,230 --> 01:16:44,638 [RHYTHMIC MUSIC] 1439 01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:57,369 1617 So I'm in my cell, and all of a sudden, 1440 01:16:57,370 --> 01:17:01,269 I get told that I have a visitor. 1441 01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:03,049 I got legal counsel there. 1442 01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:08,499 1621 LAURA LEE FLANAGAN: I was incredibly nervous. 1443 01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:11,099 I'd never been to a jail, or a prison, 1444 01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:12,859 or any situation like that before. 1445 01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:20,699 1625 There's a plastic table, a plastic chair, 1446 01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:24,059 and a bulletproof glass. 1447 01:17:24,060 --> 01:17:27,119 And I was sitting there, and then I 1448 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,539 started to think to myself, what are you doing? 1449 01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:33,009 Why are you here? 1450 01:17:33,010 --> 01:17:34,949 Suddenly, you're in Rikers Island, 1451 01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:38,799 waiting for Harley Flanagan, who, by all accounts, 1452 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,719 just did some really, really grave things. 1453 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,794 1634 I actually met Harley for the first time back then. 1454 01:17:51,150 --> 01:17:54,269 1636 I walked his crazy dog, which was like a thing. 1455 01:17:54,270 --> 01:17:55,509 He doesn't remember. 1456 01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:56,494 I was just another kid. 1457 01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:02,369 1640 We were on completely different life tracks. 1458 01:18:02,370 --> 01:18:03,549 I was in school. 1459 01:18:03,550 --> 01:18:04,809 I went to college. 1460 01:18:04,810 --> 01:18:07,169 I received my PhD. 1461 01:18:07,170 --> 01:18:10,439 And then I went to law school. 1462 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:13,769 At one point, I started an online magazine called New York 1463 01:18:13,770 --> 01:18:17,189 Natives, and I interviewed Harley for it. 1464 01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:21,219 At the time, he sent me what he called a draft of his book, 1465 01:18:21,220 --> 01:18:24,749 and I agreed to help him edit it. 1466 01:18:24,750 --> 01:18:26,579 And we became good friends. 1467 01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:28,759 And when I heard about Webster Hall 1468 01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,539 and that he was at Rikers, I-- 1469 01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:33,679 I knew I had to help. 1470 01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,479 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I go up there, and I'm 1471 01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:39,349 sitting in the room waiting for my attorney to come in. 1472 01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:45,109 And Laura walks in. 1473 01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:48,509 I was in my-- my little Upper East Side uniform, 1474 01:18:48,510 --> 01:18:51,719 my white blouse and polka dot skirt, and really, 1475 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,109 really out of place. 1476 01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:58,349 You don't do this kind of law. 1477 01:18:58,350 --> 01:18:59,579 I was like, you're right. 1478 01:18:59,580 --> 01:19:01,292 I-- [LAUGHS] I don't. 1479 01:19:01,293 --> 01:19:02,459 I don't do this type of law. 1480 01:19:02,460 --> 01:19:03,876 He's like, I wasn't expecting you. 1481 01:19:03,877 --> 01:19:06,099 I was expecting my public defender. 1482 01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:08,599 You know, I'd been speaking to her that day that that shit 1483 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,449 happened, you know, like, literally leading up 1484 01:19:11,450 --> 01:19:13,829 to the-- to the event. 1485 01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:18,949 So she knew that what was being said was not true. 1486 01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:20,449 LAURA LEE FLANAGAN: All of what they 1487 01:19:20,450 --> 01:19:24,619 were saying to create this monstrous version 1488 01:19:24,620 --> 01:19:29,299 of some mad man wielding a knife, and I knew all of it 1489 01:19:29,300 --> 01:19:30,679 was bullshit. 1490 01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:31,962 And I don't like lies. 1491 01:19:37,043 --> 01:19:39,209 1675 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I was looking at up to three years. 1492 01:19:39,210 --> 01:19:41,231 The mother of my kids had just left me, 1493 01:19:41,232 --> 01:19:43,439 threatening that I was never gonna see my kids again. 1494 01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:45,654 So it was like, I'm never gonna see my kids. 1495 01:19:48,380 --> 01:19:51,039 1680 LAURA LEE FLANAGAN: The stories kept changing. 1496 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,789 HARLEY FLANAGAN: Every fucking one of them 1497 01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:54,811 gave a conflicting testimony. 1498 01:19:54,812 --> 01:19:56,519 LAURA LEE FLANAGAN: By the third hearing, 1499 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,599 our attorney basically said, this 1500 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,389 is gonna get thrown out because the prosecutor can't 1501 01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:04,229 find any credible witnesses. 1502 01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:12,149 1688 Even though the charges were dropped, 1503 01:20:12,150 --> 01:20:16,519 the emotional toll was horrible. 1504 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,852 It was a dark, dark period. 1505 01:20:22,020 --> 01:20:25,009 1692 And we wound up becoming very attached to each other. 1506 01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:31,049 1694 We had both been in long relationships, 1507 01:20:31,050 --> 01:20:35,969 and mine was coming to a sad end, as was his. 1508 01:20:35,970 --> 01:20:38,669 Harley was in need of support. 1509 01:20:38,670 --> 01:20:41,169 He didn't have people rallying around him. 1510 01:20:41,170 --> 01:20:44,079 In fact, most were running the opposite direction. 1511 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,039 1700 We were all together on a life raft, 1512 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,799 doing our best to keep life as sane as we could 1513 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,895 for his kids, who needed any form of stability. 1514 01:21:05,010 --> 01:21:06,149 1704 HARLEY FLANAGAN: Thank you. 1515 01:21:06,150 --> 01:21:09,074 Thank you, thank you for letting me 1516 01:21:09,075 --> 01:21:12,359 LAURA LEE FLANAGAN: I don't know about all these people. 1517 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:17,069 I don't know about all these people, but I don't know. 1518 01:21:17,070 --> 01:21:19,799 I know. 1519 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,109 HARLEY FLANAGAN: You can love someone and not 1520 01:21:22,110 --> 01:21:26,709 have it be a healthy relationship. 1521 01:21:26,710 --> 01:21:28,709 You could fall in love with somebody that brings 1522 01:21:28,710 --> 01:21:31,319 the worst things out of you. 1523 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,779 It's the first healthy relationship 1524 01:21:33,780 --> 01:21:35,494 I've ever been in-- in my life. 1525 01:21:42,150 --> 01:21:47,369 1716 I feel like I have fallen in love with the absolute right 1526 01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:52,622 person because she makes me wanna live. 1527 01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:57,099 1719 In my pocket, what you want? 1528 01:22:04,890 --> 01:22:07,319 1721 LAURA LEE FLANAGAN: It's relentless. 1529 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,239 OK. 1530 01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:10,489 Thank you. 1531 01:22:13,225 --> 01:22:16,689 1727 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC] 1532 01:22:26,690 --> 01:22:36,689 1729 1533 01:22:41,950 --> 01:22:44,859 1731 I really didn't get my kids into music 1534 01:22:44,860 --> 01:22:47,289 because I was honestly a little bit 1535 01:22:47,290 --> 01:22:51,969 afraid of my own experiences. 1536 01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:55,119 I actually thought, that, like jiu-jitsu or MMA 1537 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,869 would be a better career choice. 1538 01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:57,979 I was like, it's safer. 1539 01:22:57,980 --> 01:22:59,679 It's safer to get punched in the face 1540 01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,789 than it is to deal with, like, the rock and roll 1541 01:23:03,790 --> 01:23:05,529 insanity for your whole life. 1542 01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,091 1741 As I move forward in my training, 1543 01:23:10,092 --> 01:23:12,299 I'm trying to be very realistic about shit, you know. 1544 01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:14,074 Especially after I got stabbed. 1545 01:23:14,075 --> 01:23:15,699 You know, because that-- then I started 1546 01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:19,722 really getting into the mindset of jiu-jitsu is for my friends. 1547 01:23:19,723 --> 01:23:22,139 Fighting is when you start fucking sticking your thumb all 1548 01:23:22,140 --> 01:23:24,681 the way into someone's eyeball, you know, and shit like that. 1549 01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:29,459 1749 JOCKO WILLINK: He's trying to process 1550 01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:34,619 this completely chaotic life filled with mayhem and violence 1551 01:23:34,620 --> 01:23:36,029 and abuse. 1552 01:23:36,030 --> 01:23:38,139 The sadness isn't gonna go away. 1553 01:23:38,140 --> 01:23:39,519 The trauma is not gonna leave. 1554 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,489 But once you understand that there's 1555 01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:44,039 this trauma in your head, there are 1556 01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,499 moves that you can make to overcome 1557 01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:48,424 those traumatic experiences that you've had. 1558 01:23:58,425 --> 01:24:08,399 1759 1559 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,669 You know how many thoughts you think in a day, friend? 1560 01:24:11,670 --> 01:24:15,119 60,000 or 70,000 thoughts every day, 1561 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:20,589 and 90% of them are the same exact thoughts day in, day out. 1562 01:24:20,590 --> 01:24:25,859 It's, like, we got to break the habit of being ourselves, 1563 01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:27,984 you know. 1564 01:24:27,985 --> 01:24:30,329 HARLEY FLANAGAN: To be the character in that movie 1565 01:24:30,330 --> 01:24:36,209 that I was, I had to, like, go into that violent head set so I 1566 01:24:36,210 --> 01:24:37,839 couldn't turn my brain off. 1567 01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,359 Like, I would just have, like, images of violence, 1568 01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,749 just fucking, like, playing in my brain, 1569 01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:45,569 and repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat, 1570 01:24:45,570 --> 01:24:47,986 and repeat until I just, like, I couldn't fucking take it. 1571 01:24:47,987 --> 01:24:50,319 It's just like-- and that's when I, like, start fucking, 1572 01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,879 like, missing the heroin and shit. 1573 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,959 Just go bang, and then like, you're-- you're asleep, 1574 01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:56,939 and you're just like, wherever you are, 1575 01:24:56,940 --> 01:25:00,509 and you're fucking warm and fuzzy and you're not afraid 1576 01:25:00,510 --> 01:25:01,299 and angry and-- 1577 01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:03,299 MICHAEL IMPERIOLI: But you're not really living? 1578 01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:06,189 No, you're not-- you're-- you're practically dead there, 1579 01:25:06,190 --> 01:25:06,689 you know. 1580 01:25:06,690 --> 01:25:08,669 For some reason, you wound up doing that movie, 1581 01:25:08,670 --> 01:25:10,211 and you had that experience, and it's 1582 01:25:10,212 --> 01:25:14,609 opened up this, you know, a lot of things that you're looking 1583 01:25:14,610 --> 01:25:20,249 at, and, you know, evolving, changing, healing 1584 01:25:20,250 --> 01:25:22,184 all these things. 1585 01:25:22,185 --> 01:25:24,309 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I had an incident the other night, 1586 01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:29,609 like, just like walking my dog, having an exchange with someone. 1587 01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:34,299 This asshole had a dog on a leash, 1588 01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:38,219 but all of a sudden, his dog comes flying at me, 1589 01:25:38,220 --> 01:25:40,889 barking and trying to attack my dog. 1590 01:25:40,890 --> 01:25:42,939 And like, I didn't see this fucking thing coming. 1591 01:25:42,940 --> 01:25:44,019 My dog's like, whoa! 1592 01:25:44,020 --> 01:25:46,379 And I'm like, whoa, like trying to hold him. 1593 01:25:46,380 --> 01:25:48,899 I just look at the dude, and I'm, like, mumbling to myself, 1594 01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:52,769 you know, you could hold that motherfucker better. 1595 01:25:52,770 --> 01:25:56,589 And this guy starts in with the, you saying something, man? 1596 01:25:56,590 --> 01:25:58,439 You saying something? 1597 01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:03,392 And I wind up getting so fucking angry from walking away. 1598 01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:11,709 1800 I've gotten so far from where I was. 1599 01:26:11,710 --> 01:26:15,497 Where I am now, it's like fucking night and day. 1600 01:26:15,498 --> 01:26:19,089 [SOMBER MUSIC] 1601 01:26:19,090 --> 01:26:25,269 You know, my life really is in the best place it's ever been. 1602 01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:28,599 I just got to stay on the trajectory of mine, you know. 1603 01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,163 Stay focused, stay positive. 1604 01:26:32,164 --> 01:26:35,572 [SOMBER MUSIC] 1605 01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:38,919 1808 I think, ultimately, the goal is, you know, 1606 01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,699 if you can be at peace with yourself, 1607 01:26:40,700 --> 01:26:43,074 you know, if you can know that the people you love, 1608 01:26:43,075 --> 01:26:45,939 you know, they know you love them, 1609 01:26:45,940 --> 01:26:47,619 and you can leave something behind 1610 01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:51,729 for them, besides just a memory, you know. 1611 01:26:51,730 --> 01:26:53,932 Then you've-- you did good. 1612 01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,929 1816 I guess you can probably figure out 1613 01:27:01,930 --> 01:27:06,189 by now that this is a cheapo guitar and a cheapo tape 1614 01:27:06,190 --> 01:27:08,199 recorder, and I just put together something 1615 01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,629 just so I could send it to you. 1616 01:27:11,630 --> 01:27:12,959 I got the blues. 1617 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,799 I had the blues for 25 years now, 1618 01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,699 and I've had them just on account of what a rotten ass 1619 01:27:19,700 --> 01:27:22,939 I was back in the day. 1620 01:27:22,940 --> 01:27:26,224 I've been battling alcohol since I quit heroin. 1621 01:27:26,225 --> 01:27:31,759 I quit alcohol for 14 months, and then I went off on a bender 1622 01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,739 because I couldn't find nobody to love or to care for. 1623 01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:37,144 And a man just ain't made to be alone in this world. 1624 01:27:37,145 --> 01:27:39,019 But I guess that's what I got coming for what 1625 01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:40,164 I've been in this life. 1626 01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:49,999 1831 So I only actually ever got, like, two letters from my dad. 1627 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,299 One of the letters was a cassette. 1628 01:27:53,300 --> 01:27:55,669 It was recorded at a halfway house 1629 01:27:55,670 --> 01:27:59,149 that he was living at at the time. 1630 01:27:59,150 --> 01:28:02,929 It was kind of hard to hear, especially 1631 01:28:02,930 --> 01:28:05,589 knowing how he eventually died, you know. 1632 01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:08,249 It's like he was still pretty much on the street. 1633 01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:14,989 And, you know, he died from a fire that he set in a dumpster, 1634 01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:16,139 trying to keep warm. 1635 01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:25,979 1841 I don't have any memories of him in-- in his life, 1636 01:28:25,980 --> 01:28:28,769 but I did bury him with my own hands. 1637 01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:32,255 [SOMBER MUSIC] 1638 01:28:39,230 --> 01:28:41,929 1845 I was actually very lucky that the-- 1639 01:28:41,930 --> 01:28:45,709 the last year of her life, me and her 1640 01:28:45,710 --> 01:28:49,637 were able to put a lot of that behind. 1641 01:28:49,638 --> 01:28:50,429 That's beautiful. 1642 01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:50,819 You're lucky. 1643 01:28:50,820 --> 01:28:51,689 I mean, I'm just-- 1644 01:28:51,690 --> 01:28:56,099 I thank God, or the universe, or whatever. 1645 01:28:56,100 --> 01:29:02,504 I just am so grateful that I was able to finally just love her. 1646 01:29:02,505 --> 01:29:04,254 I just wish it would have happened sooner. 1647 01:29:14,255 --> 01:29:20,429 1855 1648 01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:22,509 I've never been to a punk show, 1649 01:29:22,510 --> 01:29:25,959 so this is kind of a cool beginning to that. 1650 01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,929 When I moved back to New York, I was like 16, 1651 01:29:28,930 --> 01:29:33,329 and I'd see people wearing T-shirts that say Cro-Mags. 1652 01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:36,749 I would google it, and I found out 1653 01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:39,394 that they were way bigger than I thought they were. 1654 01:29:44,912 --> 01:29:46,869 1863 HARLEY FLANAGAN: She basically tracked me down. 1655 01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:49,909 I kind of lost touch after her grandparents took custody. 1656 01:29:53,002 --> 01:29:55,209 1866 I just didn't know if I was really supposed to, like, 1657 01:29:55,210 --> 01:29:56,999 stay in touch. 1658 01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,105 [CHATTER] 1659 01:30:00,630 --> 01:30:02,079 1870 Tell me about that picture. 1660 01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,089 I've never been to Ireland, so I have to do it. 1661 01:30:05,090 --> 01:30:07,604 So we have two joints going. 1662 01:30:07,605 --> 01:30:09,579 Because two is better than one. 1663 01:30:09,580 --> 01:30:12,719 HARLEY FLANAGAN: It meant a lot to me that she came to find me, 1664 01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:13,219 you know. 1665 01:30:13,220 --> 01:30:14,919 She actually came out on tour with us 1666 01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:16,669 not that long ago in the States. 1667 01:30:16,670 --> 01:30:19,209 You know, her and my son were working the merch together, 1668 01:30:19,210 --> 01:30:20,084 it was kind of funny. 1669 01:30:23,787 --> 01:30:24,369 1881 MAN: Flanagan! 1670 01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:38,749 1883 This is what 55 is supposed to look like, motherfuckers. 1671 01:30:38,750 --> 01:30:42,074 [CHEERS, APPLAUSE] 1672 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,979 1886 You fucking better live every fucking day 1673 01:30:50,980 --> 01:30:54,699 like you mean it because you don't know 1674 01:30:54,700 --> 01:30:57,175 when it's gonna be your last. 1675 01:30:57,176 --> 01:30:58,149 CROWD: Woo! 1676 01:30:58,150 --> 01:31:04,579 HARLEY FLANAGAN: That means every day you fucking love life. 1677 01:31:04,580 --> 01:31:08,899 You show your love for the people that matter to you, 1678 01:31:08,900 --> 01:31:11,429 and you do that by being strong. 1679 01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:14,629 You do that by not giving up no matter 1680 01:31:14,630 --> 01:31:17,339 what the fuck life hands you! 1681 01:31:17,340 --> 01:31:18,311 CROWD: Woo! 1682 01:31:18,312 --> 01:31:21,229 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC] 1683 01:31:31,230 --> 01:31:41,229 1898 1684 01:31:46,723 --> 01:31:48,389 1900 HARLEY FLANAGAN: I don't forgive myself, 1685 01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:53,239 but I accept what I've done. 1686 01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:55,699 I think that the moment you forgive yourself 1687 01:31:55,700 --> 01:31:58,939 is the moment you're fucking devaluing the horror of what 1688 01:31:58,940 --> 01:32:00,469 the fuck you've done, and you're not 1689 01:32:00,470 --> 01:32:03,269 accepting the responsibility for it anymore. 1690 01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:14,689 1907 1691 01:32:14,690 --> 01:32:20,359 You know one interesting thing, though, as far as like the-- 1692 01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:26,239 the constant sound, I've actually gotten to a place 1693 01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:27,744 where I'm able to-- 1694 01:32:31,700 --> 01:32:37,609 1912 it's almost like my heart rate and my breathing 1695 01:32:37,610 --> 01:32:47,609 become the bass and the drum, and all the sounds around me 1696 01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:51,169 1915 start to become the percussion. 1697 01:32:51,170 --> 01:32:56,744 And you can actually hear it all fall into place. 1698 01:32:56,745 --> 01:33:00,209 [GUITAR PLAYING] 1699 01:33:10,210 --> 01:33:20,209 1919 1700 01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:24,839 1921 My thoughts completely stop, and I'm just 1701 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:34,122 like hearing and waiting for the next bird or the next noise. 1702 01:33:38,970 --> 01:33:41,559 1924 I've been practicing letting that happen, 1703 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:51,179 just stopping and listening to the music of the universe and-- 1704 01:33:51,180 --> 01:33:52,024 and my-- 1705 01:33:57,835 --> 01:34:01,299 1928 [PANTING] 1706 01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:21,299 1930 1707 01:34:26,050 --> 01:34:29,514 1932 [STIRRING MUSIC] 1708 01:34:35,950 --> 01:34:39,414 1934 [CRO-MAGS, "NO ONE'S VICTIM"] 1709 01:34:49,415 --> 01:34:52,899 1936 1710 01:34:52,900 --> 01:34:53,574 Are you ready? 1711 01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,084 1939 [PUNK ROCK MUSIC] 1712 01:35:10,085 --> 01:35:15,079 1941 1713 01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,419 (SINGING) You can't let circumstances 1714 01:35:17,420 --> 01:35:19,819 Define who you are 1715 01:35:19,820 --> 01:35:21,559 'Cause only death is certain 1716 01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,989 Every else optional 1717 01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:26,329 Your happiness depends on 1718 01:35:26,330 --> 01:35:28,495 In no one else but you 1719 01:35:28,496 --> 01:35:30,739 'Cause no one else can live your life 1720 01:35:30,740 --> 01:35:34,849 Or fill your grave but you 1721 01:35:34,850 --> 01:35:43,639 No one's victim 1722 01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:50,299 Won't be a victim 1723 01:35:50,300 --> 01:35:52,429 You can't let your circumstances 1724 01:35:52,430 --> 01:35:55,129 Define who you are 1725 01:35:55,130 --> 01:35:56,899 'Cause only death is certain 1726 01:35:56,900 --> 01:35:59,209 Everything else is optional 1727 01:35:59,210 --> 01:36:01,849 Your happiness depends on 1728 01:36:01,850 --> 01:36:04,039 No one else but you 1729 01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,139 'Cause no one else can live your life 1730 01:36:06,140 --> 01:36:16,139 Or fill your grave but you 1731 01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:28,419 1961 No one's victim 1732 01:36:38,420 --> 01:36:48,419 1963